[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Guys Stop With the Bashing
- From: "Cyndy" <cyndy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <firethorntemple@xxxxxxxxx>, <jim_barnhart@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "'gsd showlist'" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:09:24 -0500
Tom,
I agree. One of my favorite "lame excuses" is "it's too political". This
sport is just that - a sport - by that token you need to prepare to play the
game. If you wanted to be a baseball star, you would not equip yourself with
anything but the best equipment right? The best Indy car in the world is
not anything without the best driver, the sponsors that publicize it and
fund its' efforts, right?
I've been to bird shows, horse shows, FISH shows - corruption or lack
thereof is the same everywhere.
I have witnesses first hand corruption at a dog show, an exhibitor telling
the judge at a break that he owed her a favor. He said "I got you covered"
and put up her dog. No joke. My friend heard it too.
The point being, we all know it's there, but it's certainly no excuse to use
when you don't win. You educate yourself and don't show to those judges. (I
have my list like everyone does, and actually a list for each dog) :)
I heard that you weren't really "IN" the breed until you stuck around for 5
years. In 1992, that was one of my goals. I admit my first dog finished
quickly, since then I've finished one other, and put 8 points on another.
Not too impressive, eh? Well nevertheless, I've had FUN! And that's what
it's all about.
Cyndy
www.texasdogs.com
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From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Tom Elkins
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 4:27 AM
To: jim_barnhart@xxxxxxxxxxx; 'gsd showlist'
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Guys Stop With the Bashing
Jim -- I think that your "too much of this sport is a corrupted culture"
statement is incorrect. As for the "poll", I'm for whatever will help
specialty clubs survive and hopefully thrive. If that means four shows in
one weekend, great.
As far as the "corrupted culture" business, I'd say that notion is
fundamentally wrong. If you have a star and someone who knows how to handle
presenting it, you'll win at specialties. You may not win every time, but
you'll win. A big part of the problem is that too many people look at their
dogs with their hearts and not their heads. They think their dogs are better
than they really are, so when they lose they assume there must be some
conspiracy against them, e.g. crooked judges. Have I seen shows where I KNOW
there was hanky panky in the outcome? Yes, but not that often. By the way,
that stuff happens at all-breeds too, but it just takes on different forms.
As long as there are human beings involved, those things are going to
happen, hopefully not often.
It is very difficult to win at specialties because the competition is
extremely tough. Remember, you have to beat everyone there in your sex, and
that usually means at least a few very good to excellent animals on each
side. My experience is that blaming crooked judging at specialties for
losing and/or small entries is the last refuge of people who just don't get
it, and who in reality don't have a dog that is good enough to win.
tom elkins
Firethorn Temple
http://www.firethorntemple.com
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From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of James Barnhart
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:56 AM
To: gsd showlist
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Guys Stop With the Bashing
Randy, I appreciate the effort in polling folks about having two shows
a day and two clubs or more coordinating their show dates to make even
four shows in two days possible. Your probably looking for yes it's a
good idea and I like it or no I don't like it. I'm ok with it and
willing to try it under certain conditions. I'd like any discussion
on how to save specialty clubs from bankruptcy. You said exactly what
I've been trying to say: "Judges that really care about this breed
and don't care who is on the end of the lead are the best there is."
If the object of a four show, two day day weekend is to build a large
entry for more than one club then the clubs which are organizing such
a big endeavor must coordinate their efforts and bring in the best
judges there are. Many clubs realize this and their members are
very focused and knowledgeable in their judge selection. A club which
such members is mature enough to coordinate such an effort with
another club equally as involved with good judge selection. Other
clubs not so disciplined. It is America and if a bunch of people in a
club want a judge that will pick their dogs then that is their right.
I won't go to that club's show even if they have six shows in three
days. You say the MOST IMPORTANT people in this sport (the
exhibitors) ARE ALL FOR IT. I don't think all exhibitors are
necessarily for it just on it's merits of thriftiness and
consolidation which the idea may well afford. The way to build
support for such a big investment in time and effort is to have an
open discussion of what this really means, the benefits and the
repercussions, A yes or no poll is a start. One club can have two
shows on one day to try it on a smaller scale. A few clubs have dared
to try it and are reporting good results. I don't want to go to a
show no matter how much I save if judges who are knowledgeable and
have experience and integrity are not on the slate. Saving money is
important to exhibitors and to the sponsoring clubs. All exhibitors
want the best dog to win but they want an equal opportunity to show
they might have that dog. I don't care how many tell me how all our
judges are great and I overstate the problem. It is the judge
selection process and innovative ideas to hold shows that will help
build steady consistent entries for our shows. I don't have to have
a judge's license to know too much of this sport is a corrupted
culture. If folks want to call that judge bashing then so be it.
******
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