Randy, I appreciate the effort in polling folks about having two shows a day and two clubs or more coordinating their show dates to make even four shows in two days possible. Your probably looking for yes it's a good idea and I like it or no I don't like it. I'm ok with it and willing to try it under certain conditions. I'd like any discussion on how to save specialty clubs from bankruptcy. You said exactly what I've been trying to say: "Judges that really care about this breed and don't care who is on the end of the lead are the best there is." If the object of a four show, two day day weekend is to build a large entry for more than one club then the clubs which are organizing such a big endeavor must coordinate their efforts and bring in the best judges there are. Many clubs realize this and their members are very focused and knowledgeable in their judge selection. A club which such members is mature enough to coordinate such an effort with another club equally as involved with good judge selection. Other clubs not so disciplined. It is America and if a bunch of people in a club want a judge that will pick their dogs then that is their right. I won't go to that club's show even if they have six shows in three days. You say the MOST IMPORTANT people in this sport (the exhibitors) ARE ALL FOR IT. I don't think all exhibitors are necessarily for it just on it's merits of thriftiness and consolidation which the idea may well afford. The way to build support for such a big investment in time and effort is to have an open discussion of what this really means, the benefits and the repercussions, A yes or no poll is a start. One club can have two shows on one day to try it on a smaller scale. A few clubs have dared to try it and are reporting good results. I don't want to go to a show no matter how much I save if judges who are knowledgeable and have experience and integrity are not on the slate. Saving money is important to exhibitors and to the sponsoring clubs. All exhibitors want the best dog to win but they want an equal opportunity to show they might have that dog. I don't care how many tell me how all our judges are great and I overstate the problem. It is the judge selection process and innovative ideas to hold shows that will help build steady consistent entries for our shows. I don't have to have a judge's license to know too much of this sport is a corrupted culture. If folks want to call that judge bashing then so be it. ****** Stop Aerial Wolf Killing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGPFPBmzRrQ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================