Oh Sue, so George made a stupid comment about "paying dues" at Del Valley's dinner. So what? Wasn't there but have been to my share and alcohol was involved lol, I am certain. If you don't like George, don't use George. I sure haven't broken the bank showing dogs. Bring a handler a really good one or heck even a decent one and they'll finish it lickety-split. I don't have "judges" but I have learned over the years who appreciates what I like and who to avoid. Have learned which judges will "do" for friends and look at the wrong end of the leash. No different than business. But speaking of dues...I guess have paid them. I studied and watched and then started winning...my 2nd litter produced my first homebred CH and what a producer HE was. (First litter was more of a German working line). American lines a mess? Maybe some who have doubled and tripled up on certain dogs. No worse than some German lines as you well know and the white breeders have their problems too. Do your homework no matter. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ In a message dated 8/20/2014 9:28:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, arcturusgermanshepherds@xxxxxxxxx writes: Truly, does anyone really care? There are a handful of well heeled people who consistently win in the breed ring. They are supported by their handler/breeders/ judges. Unless you can afford to get on this "merry-go-round" and spend lots of money "paying your dues" you are not going to win anyway, so what does it matter it whites are allowed or long coats? The majority of us will go on selling our puppies as pets, competing in performance or UKC shows and the entries at AKC shows will continue to shrink. Nothing will change, and no one will care. Most of the white breeders have already proven they are more conscientious when it comes to health testing then the regular breeders and I see quite a few with titles at both ends ...UKC up front, and AKC behind. I don't know what they sell their puppies for, but I imagine they do pretty well. As for the coats, in time they will follow the white breeders. They already have quite a following as far as I can tell. So, the rest of us "little people" will sit back and watch as the people who screech the loudest now continue to breed themselves into a corner and we count our blessings we aren't dealing with the health issues the popular breeders are dealing with, As every year that goes by we will continue to explain to our puppy people that AKC is the only registry who DNA's parentage and that is why we stick with them and we will agree with them the AKC show dogs are a mess. Meanwhile, the german breeders will continue to draw crowds to their venues and get more money for their puppies. 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