YEP!! A LOT OF US CARE!! YOU deciding we don't does not make it a true fact. You're pretty judgmental towards people you have not even met...and you know nothing about our breedings nor our dogs. Sounds like you do not show in the conformation ring...and don't like Standard conformation dogs anyway. Are you sure YOU care?? Personally I believe conformation people have as many happy loving pet owners as anyone, and we VALUE those homes and most come back to visit us and show us how wonderful their pet is!! Most of my sales now are repeat buyers. Why don't you take the time to meet all of us and our dogs...and THEN give us the list of all the 'ailments' they seem to have that UKC dogs and whites and long coats don't. KNOW us all first! WE really would like you to point out these problems we apparently have that we don't care about?? Just because we don't bother with UKC shows...but prefer tougher AKC competition does not mean we don't breed sound dogs. I guess you will have to point out the "corner" we are in?? Does that mean we must go to whites to get out? Does that mean we must go to "German breeders" or venues so we can get more money?? If we are not "popular" ...then I guess our dogs are OK?? We have had friends show our dogs, very talented young people and some Pros. IF a judge won't place a dog because of the handler..we have no interest in that judge. OUR responsibility is to bring a good dog...not an AKC SHOW DOG THAT IS "A MESS"!? We have no vast income, we are not "well heeled" and STILL DON'T see how ANY of these Standard Revisions is for the betterment or improvement of the German Shepherd Dog itself?? Perhaps you can tell us?? Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Sue Tomlinson Does anyone really care? Truly, does anyone really care? There are a handful of well heeled people who consistently win in the breed ring. They are supported by their handler/breeders/ judges. Unless you can afford to get on this "merry-go-round" and spend lots of money "paying your dues" you are not going to win anyway, so what does it matter it whites are allowed or long coats? The majority of us will go on selling our puppies as pets, competing in performance or UKC shows and the entries at AKC shows will continue to shrink. Nothing will change, and no one will care. Most of the white breeders have already proven they are more conscientious when it comes to health testing then the regular breeders and I see quite a few with titles at both ends ...UKC up front, and AKC behind. I don't know what they sell their puppies for, but I imagine they do pretty well. As for the coats, in time they will follow the white breeders. They already have quite a following as far as I can tell. So, the rest of us "little people" will sit back and watch as the people who screech the loudest now continue to breed themselves into a corner and we count our blessings we aren't dealing with the health issues the popular breeders are dealing with, As every year that goes by we will continue to explain to our puppy people that AKC is the only registry who DNA's parentage and that is why we stick with them and we will agree with them the AKC show dogs are a mess. Meanwhile, the german breeders will continue to draw crowds to their venues and get more money for their puppies. I guess when you look at things this way, the handwriting is on the wall.... ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================