Um, the UKC changed the GSD breed standard because they (UKC) do not want the AKC show GSDs competing and being bred who are over-done, or who have weak pasterns or hocks, or bad feet. UKC is against the sloping topline, and steep croups. My white boy has won over several AKC champions, in the UKC ring. BTW - my puppy buyers want a pet, not a show dog, and they could care less if white is ever back in the AKC show ring. I do not EVER advertise, or claim white is rare. And, even some AWSA members breed white to colored dogs. And, UKC White Shepherds are bred to UKC German Shepherds! The UKC still allows pups from these crossings to register as UKC German Shepherds. There are TWO (2) clubs against breed separation, and ONE (1) club for it. The founding AWSA members broke off from the WGSDCI, when the WGSDCI members voted against breed separation. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: arcturusgermanshepherds <arcturusgermanshepherds@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: showgsd <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 3:29 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Does anyone really care? I care as I know others do too. Breeding to the GSDCA Standard is what every breeder should do and white has been forbidden from the beginning of the breed. Reason whites have the masking gene so you never know what color they really are or will pass on. Selling puppies is the main reason we should not want blues, livers, whites, Pandas-Piebald being continued to be bred. Think of it this way many puppy buyers might want as they believe a rare color in a breed but they are not rare. When they find this out in the end most of these dogs end up in shelters and rescues. The caring breeder that breeds to the Standard stands behind their dogs as they are not puppy mill breeders mass producing for color. Now the breeders you mention breed White Shepherd Dogs and yes they do the Health Testing and keep records. These dogs have been bred to white-white dogs for generations and should be able to have their own separated breed like the FCI allows. UKC and AKC both can have great GSDs showing in both and guess what they do get their Championships in both. These are of the GSDCA Standard black and tans with no white in the background. If you have a great dog does not matter as you can place with or without a hander. Theresa GSDCA Member scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8/20/14, Sue Tomlinson <arcturusgermanshepherds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Truly, does anyone really care? The majority of us will go on selling our puppies as pets, competing in performance or UKC shows and the entries at AKC shows will continue to shrink. 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