In a message dated 7/4/2006 9:21:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, mlgray@xxxxxxxx writes: If they have the = best dog they should be allowed to win without worrying about whether or not = the judging looks fixed.=20 Mike Gray Mike, If they have the best dog then everything else is moot. If they have the best dog then there should be no perception that the judging "looks" fixed. I don't believe anyone is bitching about a better dog winning. It is about dogs that are sub-standard, owned by such people and shown by certain handlers and winning that is the problem. It is also about ignorant judges and judges who ignore faults and put up these sub-standard dogs for whatever personal reason they have. I agree that a good dog is a good dog and should win. But I also see glaring faults being put up. Is this where we want the breed to go? Ignore these problems as long as you get the win? Laura Thomas http://www.treasureranchgsds.com/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================