In a message dated 7/3/2006 7:25:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Ileana- If you show the best dog under me and I put you up for winners then 6 months later I show the best dog under you and you put me up, is that what you call " And last and insulting, judges who put up each other"? Because many specialty judges are also good breeders and only show quality animals therefore it is a frequent occurrence that they win dog shows under other specialty judges. I hope this is not considered dishonest. If it is then I will quit judging as I find showing more rewarding than judging. My ego does not need boosting, my wife does that daily. D.D. No DD........In this sport, we are a small group, and we know each other. Many of us call each other friends, and many people who judge are also still breeding and showing. Those are facts. If any of my friends wants to show under me, they better have the best dog or the awareness that the best dog will win, even if it is not theirs. And if they lose and our friendship suffers, then it wasn't that much of a friendship to begin with, so I wont miss it. Those are facts. So, to use your example, if you were to show me the best dog, that is the dog that will win, whether you and I are friends or not. I don't think I have ever showed a dog to you, and I think our relationship is best described as acquaintances, so I can't prove this between us, and am left with only hypothetical's. I think the point to argue is will friends win even without the best dog? And are judges doing all they can to avoid the appearance of impropriety? Because, and I think you will agree with me, sometimes the perception can be wrong, but it leaves a really bad taste in the mouth. Those are also facts. By the way, you just judged in California, and I heard you did a terrific job. This is called perception. The grapevine talks about everything, the bad and the good. And like you, I am lucky to have a spouse who keeps me happy, my happiness doesn't hang on ribbons. Ileana Chance favors the prepared mind ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================