In a message dated 7/3/2006 5:04:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx writes: His posts lump all judges togeather it's offensive to anyone who is not a crook. Fred Fred, I happen to think you are one of the most experienced dog people out there, but I am surprised at your naivete. There is no lost love between me and Ed Hill. Anyone can tell you that. But the truth is the truth. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is. I don't believe all honest judges are offended by his post. I believe most people found it 1-entertaining and 2-very close to reality. If you are not a crook, it doesn't refer to you. I am certainly not offended by it, albeit I haven't been judging as long as you have. I am sure I can call 10 judges right now who would just flat out laugh at Ed post, and not be offended. The proverbial rock wouldn't hit any of them in that pack <G>. Now, I don't know what is like to live on Fred Migliore's world, but in the real world I have experienced the following: Bad judging, that range from so-so to disastrous, to "what the hell just happened???" Good judging, even when my dog doesn't win, that will prompt me to show under that judge again, and recommend that judge to anyone who asks. Ignorant judging, judges who just don't know, and what can you do about that? Keep an eye on them and see if they get better. And last, and most insulting, judges who put up each other, with a blatant arrogance that assumes no one can do the math and figure it out. When it comes to money, you know, like the money you have lost judging?.......we all lose money on this sport. Personally, I have not ever made any profit by breeding, judging, showing, or selling pups. I do that for a passion and love for the breed. You can ask my husband.... more, far more money is spent than made. I never applied for my judges license thinking I was going to make an income of it. So far, it is true <G> You complain about losing some money on judging assignments......how about the rest of the fancy, the rest of the people, who lose money all the time when they go to compete and don't even have a chance? I believe they use the same currency you use, so their loss has the same value. Not all judging is honest, maybe in your world things are different and if so I envy you. I am sure the honest judges laugh at this, the ones who are unsure will take notice, and the crooked one, they will either shape up or ignore the issue, because they are so far gone that they can't see what they are doing is wrong, or they just don't care. So Ed, in public, I want to thank you for having the backbone to say what some of us believe is true, and happening. It may be only 2 or 3 of us saying it, but the private emails are very clear, we see it and many do too. I only wish more people were more open, but as my dear friend Basu says....there aren't many eagles. Some believe is not very kosher to tell it like it is. Obviously, Mr. Ed Hill, you and I belong to a different group of people. I'll leave you all with a quote from Goldbecker and Hart: "If the future is to give us those things which we want for our breed, then we must clear our minds of inaccuracy and absorb truth instead". Ileana ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================