Stormy is correct in her reference to what RRONR states...BUT...if the By-Laws or P^P state only in case of a tie...I believe they take precedence. What I WOULD like to know if I am correct in thinking that so long as the By-Laws and P&P don't contradict State law, they would be the first reference...RRONR next, and only then do we refer to the actual laws of the State. However, when actions are taken that conflict with any or all of these, and actually become illegal according to the law of the state, it's all moot, is it not? I guess what I'm asking is "what is the order in which we must proceed...because we have to do it backwards, do we not?" First, we must follow the by-laws and the P&P. If something isn't covered there, then we refer to RRONR. And, as a LAST resort, if no one is able to find out from the above materials just what the correct procedure is, then we must resort to the law of the land (state, country, whatever)............... Is there an intelligent person who knows the answer to this? Seems to me that we should only have to refer to State Law (or even Federal Law) when we've violated our own rules...provided they are not in conflict with the law... and when we've reached the point that we must actually use the LAW, then something is rotten in the State of Denmark...........it seems like grasping at straws. On the other hand, breaking the law IN ADDITION to violating the By-Laws and the P&P -- well, there are no excuses for any of that at all............... Peggy Stormy435@xxxxxxx wrote: >Oh, Tish it's too early here on the Left Coast, However, Robert's Rule of >Order, Newly Revised 10th Edition Chapter 4, page48 starting line 7, for one >instance and there are others throughout the book >it give various examples of how the Chair (Pres) votes to change the vote to >a tie, out of a tie, from less that 2/3 to 2/3, etc. > >Storm > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================