The laws in the state in which the organization is incorporated come first. Then the bylaws, then Special Rules of Order (and I'm not sure that we have any of those that apply in this situation-- we have some that apply to conduct in a conference call meeting and those that apply to voting for judges for the National Specialty and perhaps some others that cannot be changed except by previous notice and 2/3 vote) but most of our P&P manual has to do with administrative things --not with "Rules of Order" --so after Special Rules of Order comes Roberts Rules of Order --then "standing rules" which are things that can be changed by majority vote at any meeting -- So Laws come first --- Ginny Altman In a message dated 9/17/2007 12:49:21 PM Central Daylight Time, pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Stormy is correct in her reference to what RRONR states...BUT...if the By-Laws or P^P state only in case of a tie...I believe they take precedence. What I WOULD like to know if I am correct in thinking that so long as the By-Laws and P&P don't contradict State law, they would be the first reference...RRONR next, and only then do we refer to the actual laws of the State. However, when actions are taken that conflict with any or all of these, and actually become illegal according to the law of the state, it's all moot, is it not? I guess what I'm asking is "what is the order in which we must proceed...because we have to do it backwards, do we not?" First, we must follow the by-laws and the P&P. If something isn't covered there, then we refer to RRONR. And, as a LAST resort, if no one is able to find out from the above materials just what the correct procedure is, then we must resort to the law of the land (state, country, whatever)............... Is there an intelligent person who knows the answer to this? Ginny Altman "Please let me be as kind, intelligent, and wonderful as my dog thinks I am." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================