While this may be true, there seems to be a change afoot. It seems that more lines who only showed in the specialty rings are now showing in the AB's and doing well. And, more and more conformation line dogs seem to be getting herding and Rally titles the last couple years. And, there are more German/American crosses out there with progeny who are excelling in both venues. These are all good things, right? It seems that the trend is leaning toward the pretty dog who can work. For the die hard working dog folks, only the German lines will do. But, the pet buyer who wants to compete in performance events, now has a plethera of lines and options from which to choose. I am fortunate that my show line dogs have an awesome herding instinct. And I start the pups, I want to keep for awhile, in agility to build confidence and learn how to use their bodies. The people who have pups from me may not be competing as yet, but they are training in conformation, herding, obedience, Rally and therapy dog. (I have German and American lines) Breeding for both is the best of all worlds. Afterall, we have a Breed that CAN do it all :-) But, your observation is correct. So, the question is; for those of you with show lines, how do you handle inquiries from potential puppy buyers who want a performance dog when you have show lines? Do you refer them to someone else? Do you bother to put performance titles on your dogs? Or, do you just let them see the pups who won't make it in the conformation ring? Interesting topic. Laura Thomas www.treasureranchgsds.com In a message dated 9/13/2006 7:14:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, MarcatoGSD@xxxxxxx writes: When people look for a performance GSD they tend to look at German lines which have less angulation, as it is more conducive to jumping and running. Very few performance people (as in, like, none) will go to a GSD specialty line as they feel there is too much angulation and it's no good for things like agility and obedience (once they get to open work). ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================