I was discussing a student's dog with her a short while back. I told her that I like many things about him, but I would like more drive/desire in him. She agreed, and then made the statement that most Pems could use more. She then added, well, the "horse Corgis" have plenty of drive, but they aren't bred well. I replied to her, if your dogs aren't being bred for working drive, then by the Standard THEY aren't well bred. Accepting lack of drive, is just as bad as accepting lack of type. I very much agree with Janice Buchanan's observations. I would add, the Standard is the blue print for breeding a good looking working dog. The problem comes in when we as breeders stop looking at the whole Standard and fixate on the parts we like/don't like. As soon as we stop striving for the balance of the Standard, we split off into the different subsections. I do have to take exception to the comment made that...very few performance people( as in, none) will go to GSD specialty lines..." to breed for performance.... I have bred exclusively from American specialty lines, and been very happy with the results....and quite successful as well. Any lack of success can be directly related to my poor efforts, not my dogs. Kelly Malone Karma Performance Home of 5x HIT Karma's Reva CD,RE,HSAD,HTAD III,HXAS, Morgan PT, Drummer JHD ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================