it appears that what people think "is" a certain color or pattern is a matter of either opinion or semantics. So it leaves me wondering, hearing the talk about "black" sables. For those willing to answer, how would you describe the look of a black sable? Or now that we can post pictures, a picture would work great too! Just throwing it out there, thinking along the lines of how we can become more effective in promoting our breed and all about it in a consistent manner all around the nation, and the positive effect that would have for the breed if we were unified in our terminology at least Jen P & her Pack laughing about the semantics knowing that what I register as "tan", most of y'all would consider "red" (my reasoning being that I don't think it is red when you compare to what internationally is considered red... We'd almost call it "mahogany" here in America!) oh and to me, a "black" sable is one who looks just like a bicolor until you part their hair to reveal the undercoat being phaeomelanic instead of eumelanic -- JayDee's Proud-Haus Shepherds/Proud K911 Canine Consulting Committed to the Total Dog you can be Proud of!!! www.jaydeesphs.com Support the next generation's stewards in the sport of dogs... Donate to the German Shepherd Dog Youth Recognition Fund! www.dogshowjuniors.com