Gary, I loved the quote at the bottom. You are right. Some worry about nitnoid stuff when there are glaring problems to be addressed. Like you we could never "ok" mega in our lines. It astonishes me that some breeders just accept it as the norm, and the "cost of doing business". It is easily done away with, but you have to put your foot down and say NO MORE. Like you, it is not "win at any cost" for us. It is produce a better German Shepherd, and if you win along the way that is just the icing.... Remember dog shows are used to *evaluate breeding stock*....it is not we have show dogs, first last and always, and hope the show dogs turn out to be breeding stock as the "icing" Sometimes I think some folks get it backwards. It is like what I believe Liz said? Paraphrasing badly here.. If you want to fix the problem with down pasterns then don't breed dogs that are known to produce / sire it. I couldn't agree more. This makes far more sense to me than putting out an Informational pamphlet on a "problem" that again, can be corrected if people will stop breeding the dogs that are known for a fact to have issues with it. Kathy > >>>There have always been people in any venue who "strain at knats and > swallow camels" to quote someone (Jesus) who was much more intelligent that > I. > > Gary Lewis > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================