I totally agree with you 100% I disrespect a judge who puts a dog up for an award that everyone outside the ring can completely see a dog spook. Doesn't matter if your in the ring or not a spook is a spook. I will take this a little further. You see this more and more at shows. A judge who would put up a spook and a dog who growls or try to bite a judge should be DQ right then and there. Is the reason for not DQ the dog because who is handling or owns the dog In or out of a ring you can judge the dogs character. The judges who gives them an award is a judge I will not enter under. Maybe we need to pay close attention to these judges. Call them out or something. That's half of our issues they become CH and is used for stud some know about his temp and some may not know and breeds their dog to him and both have weak temps and the vicious cycle continues. I may be wrong but aren't we on a mission to Improve our breed, stick to the standard as close as we can and get more breeders to do health checks and be a honest breeder? That is why newbies are leaving because of all the issues and the politics in the club and judging. I thought is club was to support and help us move forward in our breed? When did the club and judges turned this into politics and who you are as a breeder or who is handling the dog. It should be that you go to a show on even ground. I am being honest and have a right to my opinion. The standard must be followed from all judges. Denise Fox Foxhavengsd@xxxxxxx GCH Foxhaven-MyJoy Good Girl Gone Bad V Windfall - Rihanna Foxhaven Devil in Desquise v Franken Major pointed -Saber On Sep 3, 2013, at 8:23 PM, Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 9/3/13, ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: And, as long as our standard calls for our dogs to be aloof, that is how they should be judged.<<<<<<<< GSDCA Standard Temperament The breed has a distinct personality marked by direct and fearless, but not hostile, expression, self-confidence and a certain aloofness that does not lend itself to immediate and indiscriminate friendships. The dog must be approachable, quietly standing its ground and showing confidence and willingness to meet overtures without itself making them. It is poised, but when the occasion demands, eager and alert; both fit and willing to serve in its capacity as companion, watchdog, blind leader, herding dog, or guardian, whichever the circumstances may demand. The dog must not be timid, shrinking behind its master or handler; it should not be nervous, looking about or upward with anxious expression or showing nervous reactions, such as tucking of tail, to strange sounds or sights. Lack of confidence under any surroundings is not typical of good character. Any of the above deficiencies in character which indicate shyness must be penalized as very serious faults and any dog exhibiting pronounced indications of these must be excused from the ring. It must be possible for the judge to observe the teeth and to determine that both testicles are descended. Any dog that attempts to bite the judge must be disqualified. 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