The problem lies in that we really don't have a way to adequately test the dogs. The temperament test we do in the ring is minimal at best and dogs can easily be trained/conditioned to pass it. We do offer the TC but it is not mandatory and still far from adequate, IMHO. You can still train a dog to get through it. Now, try to get a dog to run down the field and bite the bad guy who is waving a stick at him is another story. Ken On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 3:55 PM, <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: > In a message dated 9/3/2013 7:20:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx writes: > When a older dog pulls away from a judge acts insecure this dog should be > excused not rewarded with a top ribbon. > > > > > The truth is, but one person is fit to judge the temperament of a dog. That > is the judge inside the ring. Although those outside the ring can have an > opinion the only one that counts is by the person inside the ring. > > And, as long as our standard calls for our dogs to be aloof, that is how > they should be judged. > > No one outside the ring can see into the eyes of a dog being judged. All > they have is an opinion. The only one that counts is from the person > selected to judge. After you have bred a few show quality dogs and earned > the > right from the AKC to judge, you can know correct temperament. What you > see > inside the ring, is not always what is seen outside the ring. > > > Evan L. Ginsburg > Asgard German Shepherds > http://www.asgardgsd.com/ > Where Type Movement and Temperament come together > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the > original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS > of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author > AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group > and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions > expressed in any post. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY > MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS > PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY > FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE > PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: > http://showgsd.org/mail.html > NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ > > ============================================================================ > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================