Sorry, the HIC I referenced is the AKC's official Herding Instinct Test Certificate test, not one of the local club  moneymakers. Suzanne  ----- Original Message ----- From: Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:41:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: AOE/herding HT PT ummm, the HICs i've gotten on my dogs sure weren't anything like  that.  it was one day, in a pen, period - one evaluator's opinion. diane  Diane  Silver-Strasser Silstra German Shepherds _http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com   In a message dated 7/27/2009 5:44:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: The HIC  is two legs and just shows instinct but still requires some control before the  judge will allow teh dog to work off lead.  ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================