Wrong. Herding tested shows that the dog has some basic sheep work, herding commands, and restraint. It involves the CONTROLLED movement of stock down an arena and back three trips, a 'stop' where teh dog must settle teh stock and hold tehm in place, and a recall off the stock [call the dog to leave the stock and come to the handler on command]. Thats why people skip the HT and go directly to PT - it does not require the recall and includes a 'pen' where the dog puts the stock through a gate and you close the door in his face before he/she goes through! The HIC is two legs and just shows instince but still requires some control before the judge will allow teh dog to work off lead. Suzanne ----- Original Message ----- From: Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx To: irrenhaus4@xxxxxxxxxxx, marina1@xxxxxxxx, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:42:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: AOE hi, doris.  please correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't an HT a  certificate showing that you have been before 2 judges on a pass/fail system  and, per akc, it can be gotten in one day?  sounds kind of like the CGC  certificate but only one judge is needed there. diane  Diane  Silver-Strasser ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================