Bill, FYI your suggestion would be more of a Breed Survey. They had breed surveys I believe in the 50's and 60's. The results were published in books. Yes, I do think it would be against AKC rules, as it wouldn't follow AKC Show rules and regulations. In Vol. 2 1961 Grant Mann was chairman. He was also the senior surveyor. Based on what is in this book, to the best of my knowledge, the person still living who could possibly offer input would be George W. Collins. The organization was The American Breed Survey Society for German Shepherd Dogs, Inc. Dr. Redlich, John Seiler, Arthur Strametz, A. C. Bob Rueter, Reginald Cleveland, all men of prominence in the breed at that time who were either on the advisory panel or served on the board. Beryl Eshom Arelee GSD Davis, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <jastek5@xxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] A Three Judge Panel for National Specials???? > With all the discussion about the # of Selects, it brought to mind an idea i've thought of for quite a while for judging our Specials class at the National. Most probably, this has thought about before but let me float the idea and see what the "List" thinks: > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================