Have you been visiting the OFA web site and stealing their ideas? LOL I have to say, I personally like your idea. Yet,it is quite similar to that of judging and getting a grade on hips and elbows. ;o) One would have to admit it would be an interesting view of judging to say the least. One thing folks couldn't say is, so and so forth judge didn't do this or that. No one could really be single out. Just find what qualities each judge favors differently or appreciates more than others. It is one of them things that makes you go........hmmmmmmm!!!!!!!! I'd like to hear more on this idea as well. Charmaine PimaLan By Dezign www.pimalan.com "Watch Us Move!" ----- Original Message ----- From: jastek5@xxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] A Three Judge Panel for National Specials???? With all the discussion about the # of Selects, it brought to mind an idea i've thought of for quite a while for judging our Specials class at the National. Most probably, this has thought about before but let me float the idea and see what the "List" thinks: 1. Specials Judging: A Panel of Three Judges voted upon by the Membership. 2. Each Judge is given a definitive WEIGHTED scorecard(Example only, this i'm sure could be improved upon)that defines the different attributes of the GSD as per the Std, Judges fill out the scorecard independently) Example Only: Attribute Weighting Score 1-10 Sidegait 9 Tempermant 10 Coming and Going 9 Eye Color 8 Coat 8 Feet 8 etc 3. Animals with the highest scorecard are GV and GVX 4. Animals are rated select based on their score 5. All Animals over a certain score are given select. 6. Scorecards are provided to owners at the end of the show. These are advantages and disadvantags i can think of, i'm sure the list will provide a bunch of others: Advantages: Get cross-section of Opinion Owners and Breeders have 3 Judge opinion on each dog in a standard format based upon the GSD standard. Could be a valuable learning tool, great database for the future. More judges get to judge the National(assuming this is a good thing) Will get more participation at National as people will not be influenced by PERCIEVED politics or likes or dislikes of one judge only or taking care of "friends" concern. Disadvantages: Specials Class will take more time(i believe with computer technology today, this could be made quite efficient) Don't know if this is within AKC rules and guidlines This is a concept only, a lot of work would have to be put in in defining the scorecard to "match" the priorities of the standard ,also investigation of how the technology can be put to best use to maximize efficiency. Thought??? Bill ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================