NOT GUILTY!....I have never ever been to a "strip joint"...and I do NOT write for the Review..the editor's father and I have the same name, and a few years ago she asked me to write an occasional article for the Review...now that I am un-employed and lonely, and The Jerry Spriger Show is in re-runs, I reluctantly decided to do it..and lol...as for me "kicking tires"...I just do not want to show a dog that is not competitive, my fingers are crossed that my Black puppy bitch from Marilee Wilkinson will be competitive..as for you keeping me out of trouble.well....I'm not the one that gets searched at airports, I'm not the one who almost always misses the plane, I'm not the one that has a tendency to disagree with AKC judges at the show!...yes at the Vegas shows the hotel manager did call the police on us ( me) and you did convince me to leave...but I was clearly justified....and I didn't have my new meds...lol....FB jastek5@xxxxxxx wrote: Please don't let the facts get in the way of the story: Like i've said before many, many times i only go with you to dog shows at the pleading of your wife to make sure you don't sneak off to any strip joints. So far, i've been able to keep you in check by keeping you at the dog show, with the shows rapidly dwindling in size and strip joints now being open for 24 hours, this is becoming more and more of a challenge. The fact that we disagree on so many things only confirms my sanity and your er well!!!!! As to your being a handler, since you are by your own admission more of a "tire kicker" than an exhibitor, think of me as your caretaker, making sure you don't do things to hurt yourself!!! I'm so glad that you think this is a good idea! It really makes me feel so validated!!!!! Especially now that you write for the REVIEW!!!! All that being said, from the feedback i received so far,its not a new idea, but it looks like the restriction is the AKC. Too bad, it makes too much sense!!!!! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Hill <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: jastek5@xxxxxxx; freelist <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: A Three Judge Panel for National Specials???? .AOLPlainTextBody { margin: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000; background-color: #fff; }.AOLPlainTextBody pre { font-size: 9pt;}.AOLInlineAttachment { margin: 10px;}.AOLAttachmentHeader { border-bottom: 2px solid #E9EAEB; background: #F9F9F9;}.AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { font: 11px Tahoma; font-weight: bold; color: #666666; background: #E9EAEB; padding: 3px 0px 1px 10px;}.AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel { font: 11px Tahoma; font-weight: bold; color: #666666; padding: 1px 10px 1px 9px;}.AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue { font: 11px Tahoma; color: #333333;} My good friend and handler Bill Basu and I fight over just about everything...its funny we are such good friends, we agree on very little...I really like this idea...it has an Olympic feeling, you know...the high diver or gymnastic competitor is scored by three judges...afraid it will never work in dogs....but you keep on thinking Bill...spending all those nights in hotel rooms with me is finally making you smarter!...lol...FBjastek5@xxxxxxx wrote: With all the discussion about the # of Selects, it brought to mind an idea i've thought of for quite a while for judging our Specials class at the National. Most probably, this has thought about before but let me float the idea and see what the "List" thinks:1. Specials Judging: A Panel of Three Judges voted upon by the Membership.2. Each Judge is given a definitive WEIGHTED scorecard(Example only, this i'm sure could be improved upon)that defines the different attributes of the GSD as per the Std, Judges fill out the scorecard independently)Example Only:Attribute Weighting Score 1-10Sidegait 9Tempermant 10Coming and Going 9Eye Color 8Coat 8Feet 8etc3. Animals with the highest scorecard are GV and GVX4. Animals are rated select based on their score5. All Animals over a certain score are given select.6. Scorecards are provided to owners at the end of the show.These are advantages and disadvantags i can think of, i'm sure the list will provide a bunch of others:Advantages:Get cross-section of OpinionOwners and Breeders have 3 Judge opinion on each dog in a standard format based upon the GSD standard. Could be a valuable learning tool, great database for the future.More judges get to judge the National(assuming this is a good thing)Will get more participation at National as people will not be influenced by PERCIEVED politics or likes or dislikes of one judge only or taking care of "friends" concern.Disadvantages:Specials Class will take more time(i believe with computer technology today, this could be made quite efficient)Don't know if this is within AKC rules and guidlinesThis is a concept only, a lot of work would have to be put in in defining the scorecard to "match" the priorities of the standard ,also investigation of how the technology can be put to best use to maximize efficiency.Thought???Bill============================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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