Andrew, re-moon rise. That is correct. Actually I am still planning on arriving Wednesday afternoon and noted moon rise was around 1:30am Thursday. It makes for a rather short observing session, but I'll take it for my photon starved eyes. AJ Crayon Phoenix, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Goodwin To: sac-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: [sac-forum] Re: Five Mile Meadow Thanks Steve, good to know that someone is on these details. I found out about the road problem is that there is a north track of forest service road 229 that will bypass the rough area on the south track of 229. I only found this out when viewing the Arizona TOPO maps that I loaded in a few days ago. (Thanks Again Rick). Not sure if had we taken the north track we would have seen this spot. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/gallery.aspx?guid=88314baf-a546-41ae-845e-b44bea7d1efa The famous T-Bar Ranch House. PS I have moon rise at 1:29 AM Thursday the 29th. Is that right? Andrew Steve Coe wrote: Howdy all; I just talked with the ranger at Happy Jack and we are welcome to use the site and they were appreciative of the call. Looking forward to a fun New Moon weekend; Steve Coe