[sac-board] Re: Newsletter
- From: "Chris Hanrahan" <chris.hanrahan@xxxxxxx>
- To: <sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 18:58:23 -0700
[If it's just the "hassle factor", why not say so.]
It's the hassle factor.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: sac-board-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sac-board-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Steve D.
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:11 AM
To: SAC Board
Subject: [sac-board] Re: Newsletter
Works for me, Dick.
Chris, Mystery Bob is the only regular without email. I had a volunteer
just show up one year, after having been denied by email. He said he rarely
checks it, which could be the same as not having it. If Bob doesn't have
it, and another essentially doesn't, there's sure to be others down the
road. I know several people that don't access the www, and don't want it in
their houses at all. (Not members, but in general.)
I can't imagine the cost for 2 printings/mailings would be too much,
especially if one is paying for it. If it's just the "hassle factor", why
not say so.
Like I said, I'm ok with whatever you decide. I'm just sayin'.
Steve Dodder
Chairman, SAC Novice Group
Coordinator, Grand Canyon Star Party, North Rim
Director, Stone Haven Observatory
fester00@xxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.stonehavenobservatory.com
> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 09:12:58 -0700
> Subject: [sac-board] Re: Newsletter
> From: rharshaw2@xxxxxxx
> To: sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> It sounds like then we are all in agreement on points 1 and 2.
> As for the mailed versions, I'll continue to mail them, but I suggest that
> in 2012 we begin a policy (like EVAC) of a dues rider for anyone who wants
a
> printed copy.
>
> I will continue to send NL's to Steve's GCSP volunteers no charge.
>
> Everyone on the same page with these?
>
> Dick
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Prause, Mitchell F. (Spec Cas Risk Svcs UW
> Suppo) <mitch.prause@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > I checked on a couple items last night in the Treasurer records. The
2011
> > membership list of paying members has 1 newsletter-only subscription,
> > somebody in Ohio, and they have an email address. We also have one
member,
> > Jerry Belcher, that has no email address and requests a printed copy of
the
> > newsletter.
> >
> > Peter occasionally requests reimbursement for postage. We paid $8-10
both
> > last June and July but it may be like many that expend money and don't
get
> > reimbursement every time.
> >
> > I agree with those that have noted that items 1 & 2 are essentially the
> > same. Mitch
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sac-board-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> > sac-board-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Hanrahan
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 6:12 AM
> > To: sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [sac-board] Re: Newsletter
> >
> > How many GCSPNR volunteers don't have e-mail? I think Mystery Bob is
the
> > only one. That said, it's not that big a cost.
> > Who knows, maybe Bob will break down one of these days and get a
computer.
> > Ok, maybe not.
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---- "Steve D." <fester00@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > ============> That sounds great, Chris, but why should you absorb the
cost? The printed
> > issue I mention is in line with the punish, er, reward for volunteers of
the
> > GCSP. It's not a big deal. It's just an additional deter, er,
incentive
> > for volunteers. I just wanted to point out that it's used for
volunteers
> > that don't have internet access at all, and no desire to get it.
Whatever
> > is decided is fine, unless Chris bears the cost himself. That doesn't
seem
> > far to me. Take it out of the 50-50 raffle proceeds. ;-)
> >
> > Steve Dodder
> > Chairman, SAC Novice Group
> > Coordinator, Grand Canyon Star Party, North Rim Director, Stone Haven
> > Observatory
> >
> > fester00@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > http://www.stonehavenobservatory.com
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: chris.hanrahan@xxxxxxx
> > > To: sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [sac-board] Re: Newsletter
> > > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:36:56 -0700
> > >
> > > Dick, et al.
> > > My votes are:
> > > 1) Great idea as long as it's a link, as has been standard practice.
> > > 2) Yes, this one seems obvious. Who really cares if the club gets to
> > > see it before the rest of the world? Make the info available.
> > > 3) My thought is to offer the current recipients of hard-copies their
> > > newsletters gratis for the balance of 2011, with a stipulation added
> > > to each subsequent newsletter release indicating that this "service"
> > > will no longer be available beginning with the January 2012 issue. To
> > > date the club has been very fortunate to have Peter offer his printing
> > > services at no cost; however, I don't think we should continue to
impose
> > further.
> > > --
> > > Steve D, I will personally make sure to print and send copies of the
> > > newsletter (associated with GCSPNR stuff) to Mystery Bob, at my
> > > expense. I think I have his address buried in the archives.
> > > --
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: sac-board-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:sac-board-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On Behalf Of Peter Argenziano
> > > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:17 PM
> > > To: sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [sac-board] Re: Newsletter
> > >
> > > Just to clarify, Steve... the club isn't generating revenue from the
> > > distribution of mailed newsletters, rather it represents a net
> > > expense.
> > > A bargain-rate quick printing establishment would charge about $2 per
> > > issue to print the newsletter. So, if we only do
> > > 11 issues annually (no December issue, as has been the history) - that
> > > comes to $22 in printing costs. Postage varies between 42¢ and 60¢ per
> > > issue, which comes to $4.62 to $6.60 annually. So, for each recipient
> > > of a mailed newsletter, the newsletter-only member pays $14, while it
> > > costs the club between $26.62 and $28.60. I'm not sure that is a
> > > sustainable subsidy.
> > >
> > > Granted, I have been able to get them printed at no expense to the
> > > club in the past... I'm just not sure I want to continue this (or even
> > > encourage it). That's why my vote would be for those members wanting a
> > > printed copy mailed to them - they should pay the actual cost.
> > >
> > > The prices cited above are for printing in black on 75 gsm bond paper.
> > > Printing in color on higher quality paper would probably quadruple the
> > > printing expense.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > On 2/28/11 12:30 PM, Steve D. wrote:
> > > > If we do 1 and 2, we may as well eliminate the "NL Only" membership
> > > > fee
> > > and category. How many of these do we have? How much, if any,
> > > revenue would we lose?
> > > > I'm against 3 because some of my GCSPNR volunteers do not have
> > > > email, and
> > > are not online at all and therefore would be out of luck vis-a-vis the
> > NL.
> > > >
> > > > Steve Dodder
> > > > Chairman, SAC Novice Group
> > > > Coordinator, Grand Canyon Star Party, North Rim Director, Stone
> > > > Haven Observatory
> > > >
> > > > fester00@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > http://www.stonehavenobservatory.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> From: rharshaw2@xxxxxxx
> > > >> To: sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> Subject: [sac-board] Newsletter
> > > >> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:05:17 -0700
> > > >>
> > > >> Board,
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd like your okay for a couple of ideas.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> (1) Make the newsletter available n/c to all science teachers
in
> > the
> > > >> State. (Walt Thomas is looking into whether or not there is such a
> > > >> email distribution list and whether or not the state education
> > > >> department would let us use it.)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> (2) I'd like to put the CURRENT version of the newsletter on the
> > web
> > > page
> > > >> for viewing by the public the month it is released. That is, put
> > > >> March's
> > > NL
> > > >> on the web page this month, not in 3 or 6 months.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> (3) I'd like to discontinue all printed copies of the NL. With
the
> > > March
> > > >> issue, I'd like to mail the few we do and include a cover letter
> > > >> stating that this is the last hard copy issue they will receive,
> > > >> and that if they want to continue to receive issues, they need to
> > > >> supply us with an email address.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Can you please chime in on these points with your thoughts ASAP?
> > > >> I'd
> > > like
> > > >> permission to do this starting March.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Richard Harshaw
> > > >>
> > > >> Cave Creek, Arizona
> > > >>
> > > >> Brilliant Sky Observatory
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> --
> Richard Harshaw
> Cave Creek, AZ
>
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