Thank you John, my German is poor indeed, however it could be enough more
than once to distinguish an acceptable or a wrong translation.The
Prochnow's book "Rollei 35, eine Kamera Geschichte" has an English
translation too, it was a Prochnow's special edition taking the Rollei
Report 3 section about the Rollei 35 but adding color photographs,
historical info about F&H and general info about the Rollei factories at
Singapore and it also has loose sheets with Rollei 35 models he did not
mention in the Report 3 first edition.
Regards
Carlos
2018-02-20 19:59 GMT-03:00 John Wild <jwild@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Thanks Carlos, I appreciate my hypotheses being corrected. You get a lot
of useful information from Prochnow and other sources; I cannot understand
the German and online translations do not give reliable information. It is
a shame that he only translated Report 1 bit that must have been a lot of
work anyway.
Regards
John
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on behalf of CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 20 February 2018 19:30
*To:* rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 4560 magazine problem
Hello John:
Rollei X Act1 camera was manufactured from October 1998
and X Act2 from February 1999; the 4560 magazine and its accesories were
manufactured from October 1996. The 4560 magazine patent ( Hans Júrgen
Hartung had the idea and patented it for Rollei; P DE4433656) and comments
about it say it was made for the 6000 system originally ( Report pages
62-1286 and 62-1287).; it was used for the X Act camers afterward. The
Report V does not mention the 35mm rotating magazine up to I could read it.
Your 35mm magazine is rare indeed; perhaps they were made as prototypes
only.
The 6008i, and 6001 and 6003 Professional cameras made before October 1996
need the factory service or other technical service to adapt the body to
receive the 4560 magazine with the adapter, perhaps it could also be done
for the SLX, 6002 and 6006 as you suggest. Anyway, if the 6008i has a 3 as
third digit in the SN and the 6001/6003 a 2 as third digit in the SN, they
are already prepared to receive the 4560 Magazine. The 6008 Integral 2 and
6008 AF can use the 4560 Magazine with the Adapter and the Hy6 can use it
without the adapter; these cameras were made after the Report V was written
and they could have a diffeent digit for the technical features, of course.
Carlos
2018-02-20 11:40 GMT-03:00 John Wild <jwild@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Carlos,
I think the 4560 magazine was probably produced for the X-Act. The X-Act
was designed for use with digital backs and because there was no built in
motor wind within the bellows camera, if required, a film magazine would
have to have it's own motor wind built in. To make this possible in the
restricted space, the frame size had to be maximum 6x5.5 . The back would
later have been fitted to the 6008i. I would guess that the earlier cameras
had a fixed film gate (fixed by four screws - as with the SLX and
6002/6006) and the later ones had a user removable clip in one. The
modification would be relatively easy. I think that by removing the fixed
film gate, the 4560 back could be fitted to the SLX and 6002/6006
provided the accessory socket on the side of the cameras had the correct
connections, and power output capability too. A digital back could probably
be used on those cameras too if the film gate was removed; the trigger
would be from the flash sync socket. Even with a 6008i, a Phase One digital
back has to be activated before the shutter is released. The 6008AF could
do that automatically. I do not know about a Sinar back with cameras other
than the 6008AF. I have seen a 6008i with Sinar back on Ebay with no
comment as to whether the back has to be activated first.
I have modified a 6000 series 6x6 film back to enable manual wind for use
on my X-Act. I have a Rodenstock f4.5 35mm Apo Grandagon for super wide
angle shots which makes use of the 6x6 format better than the 6x4.5.
Rollei also produced a 35mm rotating back based on the 4560 - the only
difference other than the film holder, is the maximum number of frames on
the LCD and the addition of the automatic film rewind. Not many were
produced and I do not think Prochnow mentions them. I have both versions.
John
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on behalf of CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 20 February 2018 03:04
*To:* rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 4560 magazine problem
John::
The 4560 rotating magazine with motor can be used with the
adapter (the adapter was delivered from factory) for the 6008 Integral
Index 3, and 6001 and 6003 Professional Index 2. The Index is the third
digit in the coded Rollei serial numbers. Older cameras could be adapted
to use the 4560 Magazine at the factory service (data from Prochnow's
Rollei Report V), I think it could still be done there. .
:The item I mentioned in my previous post is this Magazine, the
rotating 4560 with motor and adapter. There were dedicated 4,5x6 magazines
120 and 220 for the 6006 and similars generic "6000 magazines"; I did not
read about them.
Carlos
2018-02-19 20:29 GMT-03:00 John Wild <jwild@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
The 4560 magazine is a rotatable magazine (for both portrait and
landscape) which requires an adapter back to fit on the camera. It will
only fit on the 6000 series cameras which have a removable film gate such
as the 6008i. I do not know if the 6003 Professional, 6008 Professional and
6008E have a removable film gate.
The magazine has its own wind motor and the film plane is too large to fit
into the standard 6000 film gate so the gate has to be removed so the 4560
film can be pushed to the camera film plane when the laminar slide is
withdrawn. The same movement as with a standard magazine when the laminar
slide is withdrawn.
The film gate has to be removed to fit a digital back for the same reasons.
If you buy a 6008 with 4560 magazine, you must make sure the film gate is
included otherwise you will not be able to use a 6x6 magazine - be warned
- a replacement gate will probably be unobtainable.
Likewise for an X-act camera, no removable film gate no 6x6 magazine.
The 645 film magazine can only take landscape images unless the camera is
rotated on its side.
Using SLX, 6003 and 6006 film backs and magazines on later cameras is
possible but another story.
John
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on behalf of CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 19 February 2018 22:53
*To:* rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 4560 magazine problem
There is a 4560 magazin for the 6000 system including the 6008 right now
in the auction site, look for the item 183046157324 ; it costs $750, at
least it's cheaper than $ 2500. The 645 and 6x7 medium formats were
options to handle the image scale to edit and to compose magazines,
newspapers and the like in the analog era, keepong the subject proportions
and avoiding the image cropping most of the times. I think the 6x6 format
is great to frame images too; if I need the 645 for some reason, I use
the scanner adjustment or the enlarger mask or print cut.
Carlos
2018-02-19 16:45 GMT-03:00 Jeffrey L. Bromberger <jeffrey@xxxxxxxx>:
Does anybody know if this magazine is available anywhere for the 6008
series? I always wanted one, but I could not find it anywhere. Well, I
found it one place, but they wanted $2500, and that means that the piece is
technically unobtainable. I never understood why shoot 645 format, but
only in landscape. This was a “hot” format for modelling and fashion
photography, but in those worlds, wouldn’t portrait be more useful?
j
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Jeffrey L. Bromberger
jeffrey@xxxxxxxx
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*Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:42 AM
*To:* rollei_list <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 4560 magazine problem
Good news Frank!
Because mine had one up and one down, I thought there must be an esay way
to do it and that they were not connected; I can see your dilemma when both
are closed.
John
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on behalf of Frank Deutschmann <frank.deutschmann@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 13 February 2018 15:18
*To:* rollei_list
*Subject:* [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 4560 magazine problem
Thanks John - you're exactly right; was easily able to rotate the claws,
and it works fine again! I'm always a bit nervous about trying things like
this - there's so many interlocks with all the mechanical logic, never know
when you are pressing against logic versus against spring pressure!
Thanks again
-frank
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:33 AM, John Wild <jwild@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi Frank,
Just to check, I looked at my magazine and one of the locking claws had
locked itself, the other was fine. I used a small screwdriver to carefully
rotate the claw outwards. There is a reasonable amount of spring pressure
to overcome but they just rotate. They are easier to press in because the
spring works to keep them in the closed position.
I have no idea why one should have tripped but it's fine now.
Just as a matter of interest, I have the 35mm version of that magazine
too. Very few were made. I hoped I would be able to adapt it to take photos
60mm wide but unfortunately, the way it's constructed that's not possible.
John
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*Sent:* 12 February 2018 01:51
*To:* rollei_list
*Subject:* [rollei_list] Rollei 4560 magazine problem
Hi all,
Wondering if anyone can give me any advice / pointers before I send this
in for $ervice...:
I have a 4560 Magazine - this is the 645 magazine for the Rollei system,
can be mounted to the receiver in either landscape or portrait orientation
- that refuses to mount up to the receiver. On closer inspection, the two
'claws' on the magazine that grab the pins on the receiver are in
retracted, mounted, position and I can't seem to find a way to release
them. The receiver has the magazine release button (which seems to work by
magic, as there is no aparent movement at the magazine interface - so maybe
magnets?), but I can't find any way to get the magazine 'claws' to flip
back to unmounted position. I know the magazine has dismount lockout via
slide position detection, but can't seem to find any way to get the slide
to put the magazine into unmounted mode.
I have a second 4560 that works flawlessly on the receiver, so I know the
problem is definitely with the malfunctioning 4560, and not a receiver
problem. I use these magazines with an XACT-2; have never tried the
receiver on a 6008, etc., but should be the same.
Any help would be greatly appreciated; thanks in advance!
-frank
