I've been there and done that, my initial support came from the pastor who could also hear the problem with the organ (we had a 30+ year old Allen that was based on one rank of flute pipes and had capacitor problems). Once we included two council members who wanted to know what it would cost to replace all the capacitors and got the expensive answer we started an organ fund and committee. Your next problem will be (at least mine was) one member who wanted to spend the least amount possible and another who wanted to look at where the technology had gone in the years since they purchased the original organ. We ended up with the 577 and three happy people; one very happy member of the three person committee, the organist and the pastor and two unhappy people--the bargain hunter and the member who saw the sky as the limit. If your situation is like mine you will find people who don't know why you are telling them they need a new organ because they have music (even if is keyboards, I play one service a year on a keyboard and I'm always glad when it's over because I miss my pedals). My time researching the difference organ manufacturers and working with the committee was an experience, hopefully you will have a better experience, but you need to start with support by someone who recognizes the problem so you have support--then the adventure begins. -----Original Message----- From: ronnie johnston [mailto:rjohnston@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 2:57 PM To: rodgersorgan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [rodgersorgan] Re: A tale of two organs I am very concerned about the lack of young organists in my sparsely populated area of New Mexico. I frankly don't have a clue as to who could replace me in my church when I get too old to crawl to the bench. What is the answer?? Who knows. I am forced to play keyboards in a contemporary service as I don't have a midi compatible Rodgers as of yet. Nobody understands how much I dislike playing those keyboards as it feels like a waste of my training. I hope my church will move soon and replace our organ with a new one. They just don't understand what the difference is, & I don't know how to convey that to them. Any suggestions from anyone else who has had the same problem? Ronnie Johnston ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Torlai" <rltorlai@xxxxxxx> To: <rodgersorgan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: [rodgersorgan] Re: A tale of two organs > > Noel: > > I believe the answer of young people not attending organ concerts has > something to do with the family not doing it so they don't do it either. We > know that we have that "special appreciation" or that calling and the love > of the instrument, but not that many youngsters know what that is. Parents > that do attend functions do so around Christmas and then after going to the > concert, remember it briefly before going on to the television set and the > kids go up to their rooms to play nintendo. It takes a special dedicated > parent to put music in front of their children and drum it into their heads > so that they grow up with a "clue" about the wonderful world of music, let > alone the wonderful world of organ. > > When I was in college (many years ago) the emphasis was in piano. So many > really good pianists were attempting to make it as concert pianists, only to > fail getting into a good college because they simply weren't good > enough...so then they started taking organ jobs to help get some money > coming in. I believe the keyboard is still pushed today, but once again, its > the piano...but these kids should be forced to attend organ concerts (if > there are any given) just so they can see what a real instrument is and > maybe, they would fall in love, the way i did many years ago. > > Rich > > > >From: "Noel Heinze" <noel.heinze@xxxxxxx> > >Reply-To: rodgersorgan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >To: "RodgersUsers" <rodgersorgan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >Subject: [rodgersorgan] A tale of two organs > >Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:46:33 -0400 > > > > > >Private UMC college nearby recently installed a 69-rank tracker action > >instrument in their performing arts hall...cost $1.1 million, that's about > >$16,000 per rank (!!), builder is not one of the better-known firms, was > >hand-picked by the powers-that-be, no other firms were invited to bid on > >the job (!!), I attended inaugural concert a few nights ago...hall seats > >700 and was packed, but VERY few under the age of 60-70...why? Fellow > >AGO'ers who were there concur that it looks nice but leaves a lot to be > >desired otherwise, tracker or not. > >Also attended recital at a local Presbyt. church, small-ish building, seats > >about 300, they had a 20-odd rank pipe organ, recently added 30-odd ranks > >of Walker electronics and new console, all agree it sounds wonderful. Why > >not Rodgers or Allen? Very dry acoustic...doesn't Walker offer "reverb" to > >fix this? > > > >Noel Heinze, Asheville, NC > >St. Giles Chapel, Deerfield Episcopal Retirement Community > >Rodgers 835B and PR300S > > > > > >! > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Find new MIDI music and Guides to Rodgers Organs at www.frogmusic.com > > > >To post send messages to: rodgersorgan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >To unsubscribe or change mail delivery (digest, vacation) > >go to www.frogmusic.com/rodgersmem.html > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > ! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Find new MIDI music and Guides to Rodgers Organs at www.frogmusic.com > > To post send messages to: rodgersorgan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe or change mail delivery (digest, vacation) > go to www.frogmusic.com/rodgersmem.html > > ! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Find new MIDI music and Guides to Rodgers Organs at www.frogmusic.com To post send messages to: rodgersorgan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change mail delivery (digest, vacation) go to www.frogmusic.com/rodgersmem.html ! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Find new MIDI music and Guides to Rodgers Organs at www.frogmusic.com To post send messages to: rodgersorgan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change mail delivery (digest, vacation) go to www.frogmusic.com/rodgersmem.html