On Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:08 PM "Juergen Mages" <jmages@xxxxxx> wrote: > Correct. It is impossible to build a center-steered > lowracer with positive trail because the steering angle would > be too sharp and the bike would be very instable. > > >I figure that there is a good > >reason why Flevo-bike and other commercial center-steer > >designs tend to use a much sharper angle near 45 degrees, > > There is a very good reason: Non-lowacer center-steered bikes > are not stable with negative trail. > > The only reason why the python works is the hanging pendulum > principle. So for the python, turning the angle of the pivot farther back to be more like the flevo-bike would be a BAD IDEA (even if the cranks could be kept at the same height)? (I just want this to be clear). Also, at what point in raising the seat height would it pass from requiring negative trail for stability to being unstable with negative trail? Have a great holiday, ---Hillel ============================================================ This is the Python Mailinglist at freelists.org Listmaster: Juergen Mages jmages@xxxxxx ============================================================