>Maybe Jeurgen should let us know. From the web site I got >the impression that the 80 degree angle was the result of >other design requirements, like his pivot attachment method >and where he wanted the cranks. It just ended up to work >well for him and his riding style. Correct. It is impossible to build a center-steered lowracer with positive trail because the steering angle would be too sharp and the bike would be very instable. >I figure that there is a good >reason why Flevo-bike and other commercial center-steer >designs tend to use a much sharper angle near 45 degrees, There is a very good reason: Non-lowacer center-steered bikes are not stable with negative trail. The only reason why the python works is the hanging pendulum principle. Wish you all a merry Christmas, Juergen. ============================================================ This is the Python Mailinglist at freelists.org Listmaster: Juergen Mages jmages@xxxxxx ============================================================