I feel your pain J I have been working through my negative archive and have found a solution that works for me, but will you will need Photoshop CS6 and the latest version of ACR (7.2 Beta). I scan with an Epson V700 with the standard Epson Film Holders (4x5 and 120) and make some shims to raise the holder about 1mm to get a more accurate focus. Made a big difference for me. I am careful to set the histogram to ensure that there is no clipping in the highlights and shadows – then scan as 48bit RGB TIF’s. Once scanned I open the folder with Bridge and then right-click and Open in Camera RAW. I use the develop setting to fine tune exposure and contrast as well as the Highlight and Shadow controls. It is amazing how much highlight and shadow recovery is possible. Then I go the Detail Tab, I might apply some sharpening, but usually not, but the noise control work really well. Does not need much a setting around 20 plus or minus works well for me. Set the view to 100% to see the effect. Then I bring into Photoshop to finish off and sharpen for printing. Just printed a 20x24 image from a 6x7 Ilford FP4 negative and it looks great. For web images you could get away with less noise reduction as the image size is so small I have been so pleased with the technique I have been shooting much more film for my personal work. Have gotten used to folks staring at my ancient RB67 and Wista Field Camera, but who cares, and yes the grain is supposed to be there Mike From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 1:32 PM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Need some help and ideas Though I know its off topic here, and unless the moderator oks on list replies, email off list so we don't flood the email boxes of those that do not desire this type of email. My problem is that I have a lot of old black and white negatives that must be digitized (I know the dreaded D word) You can not make a paper print available on the web. Yet I have been unhappy with the scans I have been getting. I seem to be getting a lot of noise ie grain look I really don't want to spend a bunch of money on a scanner at this point. At some point there might not be a choice, but looking for other alternatives. My reason for posting this here is I believe many of you have likely had the same issue, and if you haven't the odds are you will at some point. What I have tried is Noise Ninja. Good program, but when I upgraded photoshop to CS5 it stopped working and must rebuy it to get it to work with the upgrade. Haven't yet, but its something I have considered I haven't had any luck with the noise reduction in CS5. It may be me not doing the right things however. Noise Ninja had everything more or less automated. There are tons of tutorials out there, most of them free. Of those most of them are worth exactly what you pay for them. If I paid for training Lynda might be the way I would go. Adobe probably has some good stuff, especially Julianne Kost, but right now I am mad enough at them that I don't want to give them a nickel unless I absolutely have to, and though occasionally I get forced into spending money with Adobe its a last resort. I'm not there yet. If anyone has found a good tutorial in the free ones, I'd appreciate it. Has anyone found any software that they liked that beats Noise Ninja??? There may be better ways that I haven't considered It may be just my experience, but scanners seem to have much more trouble handling black and white film than color film. The color scans almost always seem to look better. Thanks for any help in advance and please reply off list Mark ====================================To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.