[pure-silver] Re: KHCA Patent

  • From: `Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 07:39:37 -0800

  It was, Kodak made printing paper that was very similar to the later RC quite early on. It was made for quick processing. In general, RC paper does not need wash aid because the emulsions are so thin (Bob Shanebrook please correct if this is in error) and the support does not absorb hypo.  A paper from Fuji labs and a later one from Kodak showed that emulsions can be overwashed. That is that if ALL the residual thiosulfate is removed the image silver becomes very vulnerable to peroxides in the atmosphere while a very small residue of the thiosulfate results in slight sulfiding of the silver which protects it from further sulfiding and oxidation. Kodak actually discovered this first but was reluctant to publish it since it was heresy, until the Fuji paper was published. It may take me a while to find the references. In any case, Kodak revised their specifications for residual thiosulfate for archival storage. The instructions for HCA take this into account.
   Note that HCA is most effective for the emulsion. It is less effective on the baryta layer of conventional (non RC) paper and on the paper support. The fibers of the paper tend to bind residual chemicals by frictional forces which is why paper requires fairly long washes despite the use of the HCA.
    The selenium is a puzzle: the use of dilute HCA for a short period became a standard method of protecting images until one of the archives discovered it was not working on their microfilm. The Image Permanence Institute found that something had changed and the toner no longer provided adequate protection. They never discovered what had changed. IPI then found that a treatment in polysulfide toner would provide protection with the same virtues as the selenium treatment, that is, no visible change in image color or structure. The latter is important for very high resolution images such as microfilm.  The problem with selenium is that it does not tone uniformly. The diluted toner will provide some protection to the low density parts of the image but not the higher density parts unless toning is carried out to the point where there is a change in image color or structure. So, images fully toned in Selenium are archival but it may not be suitable for microfilm.
    I had not realized the suggestion of using adding selenium to HCA occurred in the patent.
    Also note that a great deal of research was done and published on the subject so the patent may not really have given much away.
    I have somewhere (if its not lost) a booklet published by Kodak Labs, I think on its anniversary, which talks about the protection of industrial knowledge at Kodak. It says that while they had depended strongly on trade secrets in the past the evolution of processes had speeded up to the point that they began to rely increasingly on patents. The article talks about how secretive the different departments were. Manufacturing would make changes in processes gotten from the research department and would not say what they had done so research was crippled in keeping track of results and performance.
   I wish I could find this book. I have three storage garages filled with stuff including many boxes of books. I have recently been going through some and finding things I forgot I had. I am sure others on this list have the same experience.

On 3/2/2021 5:54 AM, Bill Riley wrote:

Very interesting.
Thanks for posting the patent.
It read like a scientific paper rather than a typical patient and divulged way 
too much information, IMO, for the claim.
One item of interest was the mention of a waterproof medium in example three. I 
wonder if that was a hint at what is now known as RC paper which I believe 
Kodak introduced later in the sixties.

Regards,
Bill Riley

On Mar 2, 2021, at 12:14 AM, `Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

   FWIW, this is the patent for Kodak Hypo Clearing Agent. The PDF is not too 
large so I thought I would post it instead of just the patent number.

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