[project1dev] Re: [offtopic] Game theory TOP 5 GAMES
- From: CiD <screamingdazeez@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:58:47 -0800 (PST)
Actually, in KOTOR, you were ALREADY a fallen jedi. Got to love the abuse of
amnesia in movies and games.
Running around and shooting things is the description of every game that
includes guns, right?
Lightsabers should be included with EVERYTHING. Come on scientists, why don't
we have lightsabers now? And where is the flying car?! Get working on it.
--- On Thu, 2/25/10, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [project1dev] Re: [offtopic] Game theory TOP 5 GAMES
> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 9:45 AM
> i guess what i'm saying is, show me,
> don't tell me... there's a text backstory you read
> and pick and your first mission is something so huge and you
> handle it so well to justify the honor... well i beat that
> mission and it was pretty easy, so i dunno why they are
> impressed by my relatively amateur skills at a game i just
> got??? maybe if the first mission was really hardcore epic
> and long and arduous and it took some fiendish skills for me
> to complete it, it would make sense but IIRC i just ran
> around and shot some stuff and basically went through a
> level that was functionally on rails, actually yeah, i guess
> they had point A and point B and they drew a straight line
> connecting them but i was never really immersed in the
> experience.
>
>
> i mean, its cool that you were into it and there's
> plenty of stuff that i am into that most people don't
> really like or get so its nothing against your experience
> but for me personally, i didn't feel like i earned
> anything, i barely had scratched the surface of the game
> before people started telling me how awesome i am and
> awarded me this incredible honor... it just felt really
> hollow. my examples is KOTOR, where you played like 5-6
> hours and went through all kinds of crazy stuff and saved
> jedi and then went through important tests/trials before you
> were awarded jedi status... i really missed that in ME.
> also, i missed light sabers.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:28 PM,
> CiD <screamingdazeez@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> You should try Mass Effect again. There is back story
> that explains why you deserve specter status. In the
> beginning, when you are creating your character, it asks
> what kind of background you want. Then, In the opening
> dialogue between Captain Anderson and Councilor Udina, they
> integrate your choices to explain why you are so awesome.
> On your first mission you stumble upon something so huge
> and handle it so well the council is forced to consider you.
> There is a bunch of history surrounding the galaxy
> available in the Codex from the menu screen.
>
>
>
>
> Damn, now I want to go play it again.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 2/24/10, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > From: eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> > Subject: [project1dev] Re: [offtopic] Game theory TOP
> 5 GAMES
>
> > To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 10:36 AM
>
> > personally, i was a
> *huge* fan of the two
>
> > kotor games (even though the 2nd is often dismissed
> as
>
> > inferior, i thought the "dark side" aspects
> of the
>
> > story were among the best in star wars lore - it
> actually
>
> > framed the dark side in a way that was relate-able and
> made
>
> > sense logically, something that i had hoped the
> prequel
>
> > trilogy would do *sigh*) but Mass Effect was a HUGE
> let down
>
> > for me. I read all the previews and had it
> pre-ordered and
>
> > was totally amped for it when it was released but
> there were
>
> > some major flaws that killed it for me: basically,
> in the
>
> > KOTOR games there was a build up to becoming a Jedi,
> you
>
> > really had to put in your dues and earn it. When
> you
>
> > finally made it, it felt epic and meaningful. They
> tried
>
> > to do something similar in Mass Effect w/ the specters
> (its
>
> > been awhile, that may not be the right name) but you
> became
>
> > one in the first hour or so of the game, and even
> though
>
> > they tried to make it seem like a huge honor and they
> played
>
> > orchestra music, etc. it felt really hollow... there
>
> > wasn't enough background or context to make it
> seem
>
> > important and you, the player, did nothing to justify
> being
>
> > bestowed the honor.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I actually thought the real time combat held up ok in
> Mass
>
> > Effect also, but really the game didn't really
> suck me
>
> > in the way KOTOR did and i lost interest after a few
> hours
>
> > and never really picked it up again. Maybe I
> didn't
>
> > give it enough of a shot though because a lot of
> people I
>
> > respect seem into it.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I am also a fan of all 3 fallout games, for different
>
> > reasons though. the first two, basically i agree w/
>
> > everything Cid said, but i thought the 3rd one was
> great as
>
> > well, even though it was a completely different style
> than
>
> > the originals. Fallout 3 was great because i love
>
> > exploration and finding stuff and it seemed like every
> night
>
> > i could go home, fire up my xbox, wander into a
> random
>
> > direction, and find an interesting
> quest/story/situation.
>
> > I really hope bethesda learned from fallout 3 and what
> made
>
> > it great compared to oblivion (another massive
>
> > disappointment, imo) and make the next elder scrolls
> game
>
> > fucking AMAZING. Oblivion seemed to have all the
> pieces in
>
> > place but the level/treasure system completely
> undermined
>
> > it.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I am a huge fan of square's older games, including
> ff1,
>
> > ff4, ff6, ff7 and chrono trigger. loved the music
> and
>
> > characters and story, ff6 in particular will always
> have a
>
> > special place in my heart. I realize its trendy now
> to
>
> > bash ff7 but i remember when it came out, it totally
> blew me
>
> > away, the graphics and environments were so great,
> that game
>
> > felt like an adventure from start to finish.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > i also really enjoyed the older dragon warriors, the
> 3rd in
>
> > particular is one of my fav games of all time, i liked
> how
>
> > you could customize your party to match your play
> style.
>
> > If you haven't played it and want to, i suggest
> the GBC
>
> > version because of the add-ons they put in,
> there's a
>
> > really fun dice game :) and i love gambling on
> monster
>
> > fights.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Another RPG i am really fond of is "Mordor"
> which
>
> > is an old windows rpg where you created as many
> characters
>
> > as you wanted (but parties were limited to 4 at a
> time) to
>
> > explore this huge deep labyrinth, if a character died
> you
>
> > had to retrieve their body and pay to get it
> resurrected, or
>
> > sometimes you'd just say "well bon voyage
> mon
>
> > ami" and let em go. There were a ton of classes
> you
>
> > could join and different weapons/armor, you could
> even
>
> > capture beasts and have them in your game. Mordor
> was
>
> > really a neat concept and i'd love to do an
> updated
>
> > version someday (the UI and graphics dont really hold
> up
>
> > anymore). A somewhat similar game called
> "Etrian
>
> > Odyssey" was released on the DS a couple years
> ago, it
>
> > was pretty good but lacked the depth of customization
> Mordor
>
> > had.
>
> >
>
> >
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> >
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> >
>
> >
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> >
>
> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:06 PM,
>
> > Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I love your choices. I haven't played Mass Effect
> but I
>
> > definitely want to. Your other 4 choices are
>
> > great.
>
> >
>
> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:52 AM,
>
> > CiD <screamingdazeez@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Top 5 RPGs in no particular order
>
> > because it would be too hard to choose:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -Mass Effect Trilogy - Yeah, I know the 3rd hasn't
> been
>
> > released, but this is Bioware we're talking
> about.
>
> > These guys know how to tell a story cinematically
> better
>
> > than anyone in the business. The first 2 made me
> feel like
>
> > I was saving the galaxy and making a difference and
> they did
>
> > it in style. So many great dialogue quotes, fun
> action
>
> > oriented combat, and a company that listens to
> it's fans
>
> > about what they didn't like to change or remove it
> in
>
> > the sequel.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -Chrono Trigger - I've never been a fan of the
> Final
>
> > Fantasy series so for a Squaresoft (pre-Enix) game to
> tell
>
> > the tale of time and catch my interest I was
> surprised.
>
> > This thing even holds up to today's standards
> and
>
> > it's 16 bit! I'll never forget the opening
>
> > sequence: "Chrono. Chrono? Wake up,
> Chrono!"
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -Fallout 1 and 2 - Humor in a post apocalyptic world
> with
>
> > lightning striking twice = GOLD!
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -Planescape: Torment - Black Isle's masterpiece
> before
>
> > shutting down. Nothing is more philosophical than
> this
>
> > gem. Socrates himself would have died a thousand
> deaths,
>
> > each time waking up in a dustman morgue, only to die
> a
>
> > thousand more pondering the intricacies of this
> D&D
>
> > universe.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic - Bioware
> again?!
>
> > Somebody should buy these guys already (*wink wink*
> EA)!
>
> > A large portion of the greatest fan base in
> existence
>
> > believes this original Xbox/PC title re-energized the
>
> > legendary saga after the atrocity of the prequel
> trilogy
>
> > disaster. So good it's being made into an
> MMORPG.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
>
> >
>
> >
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> >
>
> > --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Hanaan <hanaan.fu@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > From: Hanaan <hanaan.fu@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> >
>
> > > Subject: [project1dev] Re: [offtopic] Game
> theory
>
> >
>
> > > To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> >
>
> > > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 3:25 PM
>
> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Yeah you are missing out :) But I like your
>
> >
>
> > > comments.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > I dont know why but I have this
> "blackout"
>
> > in my
>
> >
>
> > > gaming history where I
>
> >
>
> > > have been playing games since NES and then hop to
> PC
>
> > around
>
> >
>
> > > the time of
>
> >
>
> > > Diablo and then I go straight from Diablo into
> sims
>
> > and
>
> >
>
> > > strategy. I
>
> >
>
> > > have heard of Chrono Trigger but never played
> it.
>
> >
>
> > > Have not played
>
> >
>
> > > Fable 2 but I think I might rent that and give it
> a
>
> > go.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > I want to finish Mass Effect but havent had time
>
> >
>
> > > lately. Dragon Age is
>
> >
>
> > > amazingly well done. You just dont find good
> RPGs
>
> >
>
> > > very often this day
>
> >
>
> > > and age so dont miss that one if you enjoy story
>
> > driven
>
> >
>
> > > games. There
>
> >
>
> > > is a game for PS3, Demons Souls, thats supposed
> to be
>
> >
>
> > > great. I have
>
> >
>
> > > not found the interest to turn that game back on
> tbh,
>
> >
>
> > > hehe. But it is
>
> >
>
> > > said to be well done so I will finish in the
> future.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > For me, RPGs have to have a world worth
> exploring.
>
> > It
>
> >
>
> > > just has to,
>
> >
>
> > > thats sort of what the genre is about for me.
>
> >
>
> > > Uncovering the secrets
>
> >
>
> > > that make you the hero of the day, not just
> coming to
>
> > the
>
> >
>
> > > rescue of
>
> >
>
> > > some besieged town or troubled family or
> whatever
>
> >
>
> > > else. Its your
>
> >
>
> > > ability to get into the world and learn things
> for
>
> > yourself
>
> >
>
> > > and bring
>
> >
>
> > > the baddies to their end.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > And yeah story has to be very compelling.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > On 2/23/2010 3:27 PM, Alan Wolfe wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > oh i also liked final fantasy 3, thought that
>
> >
>
> > > game had
>
> >
>
> > > great characters and TONS of places to explore
> and
>
> > lots of
>
> >
>
> > > hidden stuff
>
> >
>
> > > which was really neat.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Good storyline that kept you involved too.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > I liked chrono trigger too, for alot of the same
>
> > reasons
>
> >
>
> > > but i think it
>
> >
>
> > > was a more light / cartoony game than ff3.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > breath of fire was pretty good but it was too
>
> > complicated
>
> >
>
> > > for me or
>
> >
>
> > > something, i couldnt figure it out and so stopped
> half
>
> > way
>
> >
>
> > > through.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > elder scrolls oblivion was kinda fun for a while
> but
>
> > it was
>
> >
>
> > > almost too
>
> >
>
> > > open ended, like everything was so procedural
> there
>
> > was no
>
> >
>
> > > "heart" to
>
> >
>
> > > any of it or something. Especially since
> enemies
>
> > were
>
> >
>
> > > always your
>
> >
>
> > > level, it seemed like leveling up didn't
> really
>
> > matter,
>
> >
>
> > > nor did any of
>
> >
>
> > > the skills. It did have it's fun parts
> though.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > I havent played mass effect or dragon age hehe, i
> bet
>
> > im
>
> >
>
> > > missing out :P
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > </spamtastic>
>
> >
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> > >
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> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:13 PM,
>
> >
>
> > > Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> >
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > i
>
> >
>
> > > think an emersive story that keeps your interest
> is
>
> > what i
>
> >
>
> > > look for
>
> >
>
> > > most in an RPG
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > my fav game of recent times i think is fable2,
>
> > although
>
> >
>
> > > there was a lot
>
> >
>
> > > of open endedness to it too besides a general
>
> > storyline you
>
> >
>
> > > followed.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > i really liked the atmosphere of that game and i
> think
>
> > when
>
> >
>
> > > people
>
> >
>
> > > really have a good vision and really enjoy the
> game
>
> > they
>
> >
>
> > > are making
>
> >
>
> > > that it shines through. especially in small
> details
>
> >
>
> > > that you don't
>
> >
>
> > > really *need* to do, but that you want to to make
> it
>
> >
>
> > > better. hard to
>
> >
>
> > > explain what i mean but i think when developers
> are
>
> > really
>
> >
>
> > > into the
>
> >
>
> > > game they are making that you can tell and it
> makes it
>
> > a
>
> >
>
> > > lot better (:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > there was that movie not too long ago about the
> guy
>
> > who
>
> >
>
> > > aged in
>
> >
>
> > > reverse. In that movie this lady told him
> regarding
>
> >
>
> > > music: "it doesnt
>
> >
>
> > > matter what you play, but how you feel about it
> that
>
> > makes
>
> >
>
> > > it sound
>
> >
>
> > > good or not".
>
> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > I think the same is true of any creative
> endeavor, and
>
> > that
>
> >
>
> > > the best
>
> >
>
> > > games are those that you can tell the developers
>
> > really
>
> >
>
> > > believed in (:
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> >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> >
>
> > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:54
>
> >
>
> > > PM, Hanaan <hanaan.fu@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> >
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
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> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Any
>
> >
>
> > > of you play Mass Effect or Dragon Age? I have
> not
>
> >
>
> > > finished Mass Effect
>
> >
>
> > > but am enjoying. Have finished DA a few times
> and I
>
> >
>
> > > can not stop
>
> >
>
> > > dissecting it in my mind. Always asking myself
> what
>
> >
>
> > > makes this game
>
> >
>
> > > work so well as an RPG. You guys always seem to
> be
>
> >
>
> > > talking about other
>
> >
>
> > > games and there seems interest in discussing
> game
>
> > theory.
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> > >
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> > > what makes a good RPG work for you guys?
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