I know it is. I sure do admire her for it. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:53 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: getting critical That's amazing! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine moss" <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 9:51 PM Subject: RE: getting critical > Well, I'll tell you that my roommate's boyfriend works for google, but I'm > not sure if he's the gmail guy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:50 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: getting critical > > Yes, this is why I don't like the idea of using gmail's server to store my > email. Who knows who all has access, or could get access...? I had > enough > trouble just recovering a password. It asked me security questions that I > don't like putting out there, if for no other reason, it is personal. But > they tend to ask specific questions that are the same as what's on other > sites with passwords, which makes it possible to take over my identity. > I know only the google admins can look at that stuff, but who knows about > the google admins? > Anyway, for the time being I have my copies. > --le > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katherine moss" <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 9:49 PM > Subject: RE: getting critical > > > If you want to keep references from emails, I'd recommend saving them > first > and then if they contain sensitive data such as registration information, > encrypt them on your local drive using a tool like AxCrypt. > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:59 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: getting critical > > Hi Don -- Thanks for your informative reply. > I have one question about thunderbird: When you convert the dbx databases > to > > whatever mailboxes thunderbird uses, does it somehow carry over the flag > on > the flagged or marked messages? I have some rather large mailboxes with a > few dozen marked messages in them that contain info that I want to keep. > If > > translating the mailbox removes the marks, I will have to go and gather > all > the marked messages from all the mailboxes into one central dump of > messages, which would be hard to sort through. > (Or I could make 50 "mark" folders for all the marked messages in each of > the 50 mailboxes... -- but that would be ridiculous. I'd rather have a > central dump.) > > Right now I'm leaning toward thunderbird. > One other consideration is the address book -- what kind of contact list > or > address book does thunderbird use? Does it share info with wlmail's > contacts? I assume if it is in a proprietary format, it would have a way > of > > importing and exporting to other formats, does it? > > Oh well. What we need is a universal mailer, like the star trek universal > translator...*smile* I just had occasion to send someone an email in > Klingon the other day... > Now we're really off topic. > Happy hacking. > --le > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: getting critical > > > I am currently in the process of converting mail systems too. I am > converting from being trapped in Windows Live Mail using all POP3 and > local > folders and separate inboxes and mail rules for each mailing list to > Thunderbird using Tags and IMAP > > I am converting for several reasons. I thought my biggest reason was I > was > fighting with accessibility issues with JAWS. Windows Live Mail just did > not work well with JAWS 11! I managed for about the last year using JAWS > 10, which worked slightly better. Over the last year, Freedom Scientific > has slowly and surely improving accessibility with this application. The > latest release finally solves almost all of the issues and JAWS 11 now > works > well with Windows Live Mail. > > Your last statement regarding your concern about locking in your messages > into one mail system hits home and has worried me for a long time! That > is > another large factor for wanting to switch to Thunderbird. It stores its > messages in plain text that can be imported or opened easily. > Additionally, > I want to read my email in Vinux as well. Thunderbird is multi-platform > and > is available and works the same in both environments. > > A final limitation of Windows Live Mail is pushing me to switch. As part > of > developing in the Ubuntu community, I now occasionly get secure email > using > Gnu Privacy Guard (GPG) encryttionn and electronic signatures. Windows > Live > Mail is not capable of reading these emails. Thunderbird works well with > these features by installing a plug in. > > As I am converting. I want to transition from storing my important > messages > locally to keeping them on the mail server. First, I switched as many > accounts as I could, like gmail, from POP3 to IMAP. POP3 downloads all > email to your computer and the mail is handled locally. Normally it is > deleted from the server once downloaded. IMAP synchronizes some of the > folders, like Inbox, on your computer and the server. This allows you to > read mail from different computers phones, or other devices. On accounts > that do not support IMAP, I set POP3 not to delete the files on the > serverr > when downloaded. This way, the messages remain on the server until you > delete the message. This is not perfect, but this is a workable solution > for rreading email from different devices. > > Strangely, live.com and hotmail.com mail support IMAP only within Windows > Live mail. For some reason, Microsoft has it's own interface and protocol > here so it can not provide IMAP functionality to any other email client! > I > hear they might change that soon. Until then, you must use POP3 to read > email from these accounts for the time being. > > To download Thunderbird, visit: > http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.html > > or > http://GetThunderbird.com > > Jamal has some JAWS Scripts for Thunderbird to add functionality and > efficiency to Thunderbird. Many people say Thunderbird is completely > accessible by itself and do not install the scrippts. I need the added > efficiency and installed his scripts. the latest version can be > downloaded > with: > http://EmpowermentZone.com/tb_scr.exe > > I am still tweeking the settings to improve the way I read mail. If you > install the scripts, there is a great help file that is always available > in > Thunderbird with Insert + h. It also comes up after installing the > scripts. > There are also at least two podcast on Blind Cool Tech to help set up > Thunderbird. > http://feeds.feedburner.com/blindcooltech > > I am still determining the best way to transfer / convert my stored > messages. There is no direct export / import path available. I may need > to > first export to Outlook so I can import into Thunderbird. I only have > Outlook 2002 installed, which I never use. This will not be a problem > coming from Outlook Express, because there is an import in Thunderbird > directly from your active Outlook Express installation. > > I am experimenting with gmail Tags rather than local storage folders. If > anyone has ideas how to do this or manage archiving on a server with tags, > let me know. > > Don Marang > > There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any > real > substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am > working > on things that matter. > Dean Kamen > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "qubit" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:41 PM > To: "bprogramming" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "NFBnet NFBCS Mailing > List" <nfbcs@xxxxxxxxxx>; "Multiple recipients of NFBnet GUI-TALK Mailing > List" <gui-talk@xxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: getting critical > >> ... as in serious, not as in criticism...*smile* >> >> Hi all -- >> I absolutely have to get off my old system permanently, which includes >> moving a good number of mail folders to a new machine. >> My XP box has been flaky for some months, and now is down to a paltry 9GB >> on >> the hard drive. >> That with loads of stuff like mp3s offloaded onto an external drive. >> >> I have used outlook express forever (since getting onto windows) -- now I >> need to choose between either thunderbird or live mail or whatever else. >> >> So could someone tell me which is more accessible? And which can convert >> OE >> .dbx mailboxes to whatever other internal format it uses? And is there a >> mail client that saves mail in a common format that wouldn't depend on >> just >> one program? >> >> Pushing things off thill the last minute... not a good idea. I have got >> my >> windows7 box ready except for antivirus and mail client. I need >> recommendations. >> >> Meanwhile, I am uninstalling and deleting programs right and left so this >> old box will run. Then if it does, maybe I can procrastinate a little >> longer. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> --le >> >> __________ >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >> > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 5419 (20100902) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 5419 (20100902) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 5419 (20100902) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 5419 (20100902) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5419 (20100902) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind