Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:39:09 +0200
Oh yes I am listening. What do you mean by "better in its development cycle"?
Do you mean that the programs created with python can be easier modified than
if they are written in other languages?
Or something else?
If the first is true, then I know why I didn't find it interesting until now,
so I hope it has other good features.
Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:10 AM
Subject: RE: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
>
>
> Python is better than other languages in its development cycle. Like pearl
> it is made as a rapid development language. I could go on but you're not
> listening.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 12:56 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
>
> I didn't say that python is strongly typed. Where have you read that?
> I said that most software companies prefer to use strongly typed languages
> because they are easier to use by a team of programmers.
>
> And you didn't show any example for which python would be better than other
> languages.
>
> If you like coding, that's ok. I am the lazy type that like to write as
> little code as possible, and that's why I like perl, because I can use the
> modules from CPAN and need to write very little code.
> You are not probably that type, because only in that case you can convert
> your programs from perl to something else.
>
> Octavian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:11 PM
> Subject: RE: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
>
>
>>
>>
>> You do not know what you're talking about so I will stop arguing with you.
>> Python is not strongly typed, I do not like python because it is object
>> oriented. And no I don't think that everyone works with other coders. I
>> do
>> think that more coders work in groups than work alone because if you
>> actually have enough software sales you will have to team up with others.
>> You are just running in circles and arguing yourself into a Teddy world.
>> It
>> is not a Teddy world and unless you have even programmed one application
>> in
>> Python you have no reason to talk against it. And I mean a real
>> application
>> not some toy. I have coded in your favorite language and I see little
>> difference between pearl except one uses braces like C and one doesn't so
>> unlike you I have coded in both. In fact my commercial software still
>> uses
>> pearl even though I am actually thinking now that I code in python on a
>> regular bases I might switch that code to python.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian
>> Rasnita
>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:59 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
>>
>> Oh yes we mean something different by "accessibility".
>>
>> Good practice coding is not something absolutely true for everyone, but it
>> it means more exactly "good practice for the sighted programmers".
>> Well, I don't work in a team of sighted programmers, so I don't care about
>> those good practices, because I am the single person that should use that
>> source code.
>>
>> So you are talking about the accessibility especially for the sighted you
>> need to work with, and care less that you need to find workarounds to use
>> the language.
>>
>> And you also talk about good practices which are used only in some
>> situations. You say that python is objected oriented and that's why you
>> like
>>
>> it.
>> You can create object oriented programs in Java, C#, Ruby, perl and many
>> other languages that don't force you to indent the code, so this is not an
>> advantage of python when compare it with other languages.
>>
>> I know, most software companies like to use strongly typed languages and
>> those who force the programmer to do a "one way" coding style, because
>> this
>> way all the members of the team can understand the code easier. But do you
>> think that all the programmers in the world work in teams, or that all the
>> blind programmers work in teams with other sighted programmers?
>>
>> If they do and they need to accomodate with a certain language, than it is
>> ok, python can be used by the blind, I didn't say that it can't be used,
>> but
>>
>> what I said it was that it is less friendly than other languages, and you
>> can't say that this is not true. If you need to find workarounds for
>> something, this mean that there is a problem there.
>>
>> Octavian
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nick Stockton" <nstockton@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
>>
>>
>>> Python teaches good coding practices and it's not that hard to indent.
>>> In
>>
>>> fact most programmers that use an IDE don't even bother as the program
>>> does it for them. I dare say that visual studio is probably allot harder
>>> to use by far if you don't happen to own a copy of jaws or windoweyes
>>> with
>>
>>> their respective scripts. I could also say that Windows isn't as
>>> accessible as the linux console as windows uses pixels to represent
>>> textual information rather then... text but windows like python and
>>> visual
>>
>>> studio can be made accessible.
>>> I think we have different definitions of what accessibility means. I
>>> define accessibility for myself as being able to independently accomplish
>>> the same tasks as my sighted counterparts using the same tools that they
>>> use. If I have a program that doesn't fit my needs fully I try to find a
>>> work around, After all no language is perfect. They each have their good
>>> and bad points.
>>> If I'm motivated to write a program I'm going to do my best and give it
>>> my
>>
>>> 100%. I personally think python is a good programming language because
>>> its powerful yet easy to learn and because it teaches good coding
>>> practices and object oriented programming. Why should I be excluded from
>>> learning the same programming languages and good coding standards that
>>> the
>>
>>> sighted programmers have to use. It would be worse as the exclusion
>>> would be self-imposed. Just because you don't like python doesn't mean
>>> that others wont. Neither of us can speak for the blind community and so
>>> labeling a language we don't like with a blanket term of inaccessibility
>>> when others have stated that it's quite accessible is silly.
>>>
>>> Nick Stockton
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
>>>
>>>
>>>> But how do you know what is easy for the blind community?
>>>> Have you made a poll?
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