Hi,OK. For those of you who feel that this list is intolerant of new programmers, compare the behavior of most of the people on this list to this web page and then let me know your feelings.
http://www.perl.com/doc/FAQs/cgi/idiots-guide.htmlAs long as it's alright with everyone, I'd like to get back to talking about programming.
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To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: email list for new programmers
I have to agree in part. The first rule of being a programmer is developing the ability to work out problems for ourselves, because usually what we are doing has not been done before. In the case of the google comment, google is one of those resources that is a must for a programmer be they veteran or beginner. Being able to look up the information on a search engine is probably the most important thing to learn because you will also discover there is much more out there than you can even imagine. There have been 2 posts to this list today that have really perplexed me because it showed 2 things. Either the persons did not bother to look it up on their own, or they did not understand how to use the basic tools available to every computer user be they programmer or not. Part of understanding programming is understanding how the computer works, and how to problem solve for things on your own, because there will be many times when you are the only one that can do it. I sent a response in the hopes that the person would be able to find it on google just the same as anyone else on this list would have had to. A bit more explanitory answer to the question of does anyone have a direct link to the program in question that they can post? I think the answer is no, and here is why, which I also explained in an earlier post. Microsoft does not post direct links because they need information about your computer first so that the software will work with your machine. So, what they do is once you answer their questions there will be a download button that will start the download. That is why there can't be a direct link posted to the list. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tristan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: Re: email list for new programmersAlex, I am not a moddorator, but you shouldn't be accusing people like that. You've done it twice now to me and Tyler, on a public list. It is very immature, and I agree with the message that Tyler just posted about google. We do need to learn on our own sometimes. Do you expect me to learn vb, by asking everyone all the time? No. That would be right out lazy, and I would think I wouldn't learn a thing. I say that since everyone programs there own way, and if you get taught by a person then you won't program as well because it isn't your "style", or maybe it is... Lol.Tristan Bussiere Founder, ACE Games http://www.acegamesonline.net Skype: tristanbussiere MSN: Tristan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx----- Original Message ----- From: "alex" <laptop456@xxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: email list for new programmersOkay veterin programmer...----- Original Message ----- From: <Tristan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: email list for new programmersHuh? Looser? Make sence for once Alex. And this list is for programmers, not new-to-programmers...Tristan Bussiere Founder, ACE Games http://www.acegamesonline.net Skype: tristanbussiere MSN: Tristan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx----- Original Message ----- From: "alex" <laptop456@xxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: Re: email list for new programmersI am excited! As long as Tyler Littlefield (the go and figure it out you looser) does not join. I will enjoy hearing from you all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ryan mcmanomy" <kb9ram@xxxxxxxxx>To: "Programming blind" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: email list for new programmersIf you are a new programmer be sure to joyn our new programmers list! A list for new programmers that are tired of ridicule.And those of us new programmers that want to be able to ask a question and not be made to feel dumb.Or be told to Look it up on Gugle!If we could find it on our own why would we be emailing the list for help.If you are a programmer and are willing to help us who are trying to learn.then you are wellcome as well! to subscribe send a blank email to newprogrammers-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < to post to the list send your email to newprogrammers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx to unsubscribe send a blank email to newprogrammers-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Email kb9ram@xxxxxxxxx MSn r.mcmanomy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Yahoo rmc_manomy Skype rmcmanomy1079 __________View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind-- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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