Re: database problems with jaws in vb

  • From: "Ricks Place" <OFBGMail@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:42:10 -0400

I would have to pull it from the Recycle Bin, I delete any attachments I get automatically unless I am expecting one. Also, I really do not have time to work on other peoples projects. I can answer questions if I know the answers but just can not spend several hours each day working on projects or researching problems. If you have specific questions ask and I will try and help but can not spend the time necessary to help in the way you want. I'm sorry and wish I could help but just do not have that kind of time. If I did I would be developing scripts for Visual Studio and writing white papers on accessibility for peer publications as part of a full time job. That is what is really required in the blind programming community but nobody is doing that. So, we just live with struggling to find our own individual work-arounds for all the problems we encounter. For example, suppose I develop some really good scripts for Visual Studio and Sql Server Manager. It would be a full-time job to write them and keep them up to date. Since I would only sell a few copies per year I would have to charge perhaps $1000 per copy to make enough money to survive. Would you buy a pscript package for $1000 and perhaps $100 per year for updates?Then another $1000 every time a new version of Visual Studio comes out? As for working with you on projects that is just like us working together on projects requireing 2 or more programmers. That entails allot of coordination and time which I do not have for working on educational projects and would not charge you anything even if I could make the time, just can't make the time. This is exactly why others do not offer this type of help either. Most serious educational programs require a blind person to get heavy tutorial help to work with accessibility issues as well as learning languages and project solution procedures in general and nobody can make a living doing that because there is just not enough demand for that kind of service. Everybody wants that kind of support but by the time someone gets experienced enough to provide that kind of help they have to spend full time making money and there is no money in accessibility except at the JAWS or Windoweyes or Microsoft offices. There are a few independent script developers for jaws but they are expensive, hundreds of dollars for good scripts as I mentioned and none for Visual Studio as It is a much larger project which would not be cost effective to produce. Anyway, ask questions but I am not going to work directly on projects, I thought about trying to do that to help but just do not have the time. Sorry, I really am sorry, I mean it but it is what it is and I have to get back to my own projects. I will help with projects as I have been helping but can't do more than that. 

Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Hunkin" <startrekcafe@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: database problems with jaws in vb



       Hi.
okay, will have a look at the grid view.
and see what i come up with.
now, are you able to help me out with the visual web developer problems, and 
the zip file i sent you.
did you have a look at that, and show me how to fix the errors.
cheers Marvin.
ps: if i do find things, will write a document, when i get some spare time, 
and will post it to the list in the near future.
cheers Marvin.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricks Place" <OFBGMail@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: database problems with jaws in vb


Marv:
They are using visual techniques to do allot of DataBase and GridView
layout. Sounds like they are just asking you to change the headers for the
GridView which should just be properties defined in the Properties Window
for the GridView. Likely it will be a collection you will open and edit as
you did with the TableLayoutPanel's column size properties. As for editing
using the Edit and Formatting of the Smart Tag it can be a pain in
Windoweyes but I have done it. I think I had to tab to the control, then
mouse around hitting the right mouse click until I found a spot that brought 
up the Smart Tag For that control. Each Smart Tag has options related to
each type of control. You can, if jaws works, work in the edit or other
areas of the Smart Tag. I have done some work from there and it was a big
help, I have also found things I could not use from there so had to work
around them using code, Properties and whatever depending on what I wanted
to do. Things might be better with jaws but was spotty with Windoweyes in
Winforms, in VWD things are allot better since everything is html.
I do all my database work from code, except defining it and often do that
from code as well. If you get good at using all the designers and smart tags keep track of how you do things in a text document so you can publish it to 
the list for others who will encounter the same problems later.
Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Hunkin" <startrekcafe@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:49 AM
Subject: database problems with jaws in vb



Hi.
doing a chapter where i have a sql database, and after playing around, was 
able to delete the collumns, in the table.
but now the chapter says, to click on the data properties, change to edit
collumsn, and cannot seem to find that, and have to use f 6 and shift f6,
to
get to the headers to change the smart tag, icon or some thing, so then i 
can bring up the edit collumsn, and then go to the format section to
format
the header collumns, say the header text to put something in the data
grid,
and to set the auto size mode to none for some of the collumsn.
and using jaws 10 beta 2, with visual basic.dot net 2008 express.
can any one help.
was able to delete the selected collumns in vb.dot net, but cannot do this 
next step, and it is driving me mad.
and any way, jaws does not read the data grid, maybe it is a graphic, and
so
no text to grab on to.
first time setting up data grid views.
oh, well, will just have to save the current app, and move on, to the next 
section of the chapter.
if any one has run into this problem before with jaws, with data grids,
let
me know.
really frustrating, and will report that to fs, but wonder if they will
fix
these problems.
cheers Marvin.


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