It's amazing Jacob, just amazing. Makes one appreciate your hardware on an average computer hey?
There's really no reason why we could not get much more out of even the average smart phones these days. I mean, things like OCR, voice recognition, object recognition, accurate color identification and all such processing intensive applications.
Cheers On 2/20/2011 12:03 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
I've read some articles in past where they reckon some relatively simple digital watches nowadays are more powerful than some of the original supercomputers...<smile> And I was one of those nerdy types in primary school who had a calculator watch.Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Kerneels Roos <mailto:kerneels@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Saturday, February 19, 2011 9:15 PM *Subject:* Re: What's The Name Of This Gaming Thing? Hi, thanks for that link -- didn't see it at first. Found this link on that site: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/05/murraycampbell_qa It's an article and interview with Murray Campbell, one of the scientists that developed the Deep Blue super computer that defeated Gary Kasparov in 1997. Campbell was also the person who moved on behalf of Deep Blue. In the article he says that he thinks a modern cell phone processer is more powerful than the whole Deep Blue system, but how can this be? At some stage I'd like to look into that.Crazy if it's true indeed. On 2/18/2011 5:03 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:Using first principles, the search space has stayed exactly the same, haha. But, the search through it has now gotten, at a bare minimum 16, if not 32, times faster. More importantly however, you can use GPU acceleration for this. Did the link I sent out after the below email have enough for you, or would you like me to send more? Oh, and it's young, my friend, young enough to think I'm right more than I am, **grin**. Take care, Sina *From:*programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Kerneels Roos *Sent:* Friday, February 18, 2011 9:57 AM *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Subject:* Re: What's The Name Of This Gaming Thing? Cite your sources, cite your sources young / middle aged / old man (it is man right?)! Ha ha ha! Sina, Is it really the case that a brute force attack beats all but the very best these days? But what about "my" laptop.... I don't know hey.... No, just kidding. When I last read about it, about 5 to 7 years ago I think the situation was that only at short, almost blitz games did the machine wi, and at long games there were no conclusive answer. Could have been other way round, but the point is that you *can* beat the machine in some cases. Ah well, can always get up and pull the plug can't you? On 2/18/2011 4:36 PM, Sina Bahram wrote: Just to add to this discussion a bit. As far as chess goes, it is considered, anymore, very much uninteresting. Unfortunately, chess, unlike what they thought in the 60's, requires no strategy anymore. A bruit force attempt is pretty much guaranteed to win, and unlike in 1997 or 1995, my laptop is good enough to beat all but the very best, and if I want to do that, I could just throw it on my desktop. Now, it is a nice framework within which to learn about min/max and other simplistic AI strategies, so I encourage anyone who is studying AI to write a simple chess solver. Take care, Sina *From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Ken Perry *Sent:* Friday, February 18, 2011 7:33 AM *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Subject:* RE: What's The Name Of This Gaming Thing? Kerneels, This is one of the best answers of this question I have seen outside of a class room. I have nothing to add except if you're looking for books on this sort of thing do a google search on "game intelligence book" ken *From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Kerneels Roos *Sent:* Friday, February 18, 2011 3:18 AM *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Subject:* Re: What's The Name Of This Gaming Thing? Hi Jim, Nice question! The problem of solving strategy games such as chess and tic tac toe and drafts involves generating a search tree that represents as many possibilities for each move at each level as you have resources for, and then, by searching finding the best possible next move with an eventual favourable end in mind. In essense, the program looks ahead into the future to avoid being duped by sub optimal moves which might yeald short term benefits but eventual damnation! A big part of this is searching the tree or graph of possibilities efficiently, representing the structures efficiently and employing huristics (rules of thumb) to keep things from exploding into too large to handle data sets. It's part of the field of classic AI and it has been studied for decades now. It's sometimes also referred to as symbolic AI as it deals with discrete values and usually involves a type of math called discrete math (as aposed to calculas for example, that deals with continuous systems, values approaching 0, values approaching infinity and fractions). All this might sound fairly complicated but I can assure you it's actually not, and many of these classic AI problems have been solved sufficiently. For example, there are chess systems that can't be beaten. Yes, the machines can beat us at very narrowly defined games such as chess, and it can only beat the world champions with significant effort on the machine designer's part, to such an extent that it's debatable if the contest is even fair or not. For example, in the whole Deep Blue saga, IBM programmed their system to beat Gary Kasparov in particular. Had another world champion shown up for the tournament it might have had different results -- an indication of what an amazing game chess is and how hard it is to beat the best mind on earth. Moving on from classic AI, there is a very interesting field which have been termed CI (Computational Intelligence) which concerns it'itself with some of the same goals as classic AI, but it does this with things like artificial neural networks (symulation of how a brain functions), particle swarm optimisation (modelling how swarms of living insects operate to find solutions to complex problems) and many other models of real life living systems that exhibit intelligent behaviour. Wow, where has the time gone! Cheers, Kerneels On 2/17/2011 11:17 PM, qubit wrote: So did your coffee working yield the answer? *smile* --le ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Homme, James <mailto:james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:43 PM *Subject:* RE: What's The Name Of This Gaming Thing? Hay Laura, I asked the question before my coffee started working this morning. Jim Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog <http://mysites.highmark.com/personal/lidikki/Blog/default.aspx>. Discuss accessibility here <http://collaborate.highmark.com/COP/technical/accessibility/default.aspx>. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice <http://collaborate.highmark.com/COP/technical/accessibility/Accessibility%20Wiki/Forms/AllPages.aspx> *From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *qubit *Sent:* Thursday, February 17, 2011 3:35 PM *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Subject:* Re: What's The Name Of This Gaming Thing? heuristics are just educated guesses. I suppose it can be useful in developing strategies, but it's not the only part of the science... Hey Jim, this must have been a good question with all the attention it has received...*smile* --le ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Christopher <mailto:ccoale427@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:29 PM *Subject:* Re: What's The Name Of This Gaming Thing? Heuristics, perhaps? On 2/17/2011 12:25 PM, Haden Pike wrote: Artificial Intelligence? Logic, perhaps? Just tossing ideas out there. Haden On 2/17/2011 7:58 AM, Homme, James wrote: Hi, I'm not sure how to ask this question since I don't have the background yet. When you have a program that is playing a game, let's say a simple game, like TicTacToe, and it tries to figure out what the best move is, what is that whole subject called? Or when you have a game where you are moving two people around and you don't want them to run into one-another, is that the same subject? Thanks. Jim Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog <http://mysites.highmark.com/personal/lidikki/Blog/default.aspx>. Discuss accessibility here <http://collaborate.highmark.com/COP/technical/accessibility/default.aspx>. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice <http://collaborate.highmark.com/COP/technical/accessibility/Accessibility%20Wiki/Forms/AllPages.aspx> This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are intended solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not keep, use, disclose, copy or distribute this e-mail without the author's prior permission. The views expressed in this e-mail message do not necessarily represent the views of Highmark Inc., its subsidiaries, or affiliates.-- Kerneels Roos Cell: +27 (0)82 309 1998 Skype: cornelis.roos "There are only two kinds of programming languages in the world; those everyone complains about, and those nobody uses."-- Kerneels Roos Cell: +27 (0)82 309 1998 Skype: cornelis.roos"There are only two kinds of programming languages in the world; those everyone complains about, and those nobody uses."-- Kerneels RoosCell: +27 (0)82 309 1998 Skype: cornelis.roos "There are only two kinds of programming languages in the world; those everyone complains about, and those nobody uses."
-- Kerneels Roos Cell: +27 (0)82 309 1998 Skype: cornelis.roos "There are only two kinds of programming languages in the world; those everyone complains about, and those nobody uses."
