RE: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:42:51 -0500
Hate to tell you but unless your using 64 bit vista your only using up to 3
gb ram. Yes it shows 4 gb but it only access 3. You need 64 bit and all
but the free screen readers don't support that yet.
Ken
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Alexander
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Subject: AW: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
The only advantage for Vista is, that you can us 4GB RAM and not only 3 or
3,5.
For those who use many applications at a time, this could be a reason to
upgrade.
Alexander
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Rasnita
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 07:27
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Betreff: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
And in this case, why upgrading to Vista? Just because it might have a nicer
interface for the sighted which is completely unuseful for me?
As I said, I will upgrade only if MS will stop supporting XP, because the
security updates are really important.
Octavian
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From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
> try to answer your self at this question, where you've seen ever a
> newer windows consuming less sresources than previous versions?
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> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:26 PM
> Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
>
>
>> Does that version consume less resources than Win XP?
>>
>> Octavian
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
>>
>>
>>> for the vista there is a better alternative named windows server
>>> 2008 which is vista with out content protection and for this reason
>>> working with 18% better than vista.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well I guess those millions of users of Vista are those who use a
>>>> cracked version, and that's why their number doesn't show anywhere.
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> I think I will never use Vista. Or just like XP, I will use it, if
>>>> the next version of Windows will consume more resources than Vista
>>>> and MS won't support XP.
>>>>
>>>> Octavian
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "tribble" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <blind-windows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>>>> "bprogramming" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Science,
>>>> Technology, Mathematics, SCI-FI, and more."
>>>> <sci-tech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:40 PM
>>>> Subject: Fw: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all -- What is your take on the following?
>>>>> --le
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:01:21 -0800
>>>>> From: John Oram <norami@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Reply-To: LifeRaft <survpc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: LifeRaft <survpc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/windows_vista_no_long
>>>>> er_matters.html
>>>>>
>>>>> October 26, 2008 7:15 PM
>>>>> Windows Vista No Longer Matters
>>>>>
>>>>> News Commentary. Did it ever?
>>>>>
>>>>> Make no mistake: Microsoft has moved beyond Windows Vista, which
>>>>> will become all too apparent during this week's Professional
>>>>> Developer Conference.
>>>>> Windows
>>>>> 7 is the future, and in many ways it's the present, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Contrary to ridiculous assertions recently made by Microsoft CEO
>>>>> Steve Ballmer, Windows Vista is a flop. If businesses aren't
>>>>> buying Vista, after waiting six (now seven) years, it's no
>>>>> success. Yet, during the last day of the Gartner
>>>>> 2008 expo 10 days ago, Steve asserted that Vista "has been
>>>>> extremely successful."
>>>>>
>>>>> A few days earlier, Steve boasted: "Vista is our best-selling
>>>>> product ever.
>>>>> So,
>>>>> if that takes too much getting over-we're not going to have
>>>>> products that are much more successful than Vista has been. We
>>>>> sold over 180 million copies in the first 18 months, quite
>>>>> successful." Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> But who's buying this "best-selling" product ever? "We have 180
>>>>> million users, mostly on the consumer market," Steve said in an
>>>>> Oct. 2 speech. Oh?
>>>>> According
>>>>> to Gartner analysts Neil MacDonald and David Smith, only about 10
>>>>> percent of enterprises have adopted Windows Vista. That's not a
>>>>> high number, particularly in context of the approximately six
>>>>> years between Windows XP and Vista.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not surprising then that PDC attendees will hear whole lots
>>>>> about Windows
>>>>> 7 this week and very little about its predecessor. Windows 7
>>>>> banners are plentiful enough, as are the sessions: Out of 194, 22
>>>>> are dedicated to Seven and none to Windows Vista. It has leprosy,
>>>>> baby, and nobody wants to catch it.
>>>>> I Googled "PDC 2008," and one of the pages-not now available-is
>>>>> "Unveiling Windows 7 to the World."
>>>>>
>>>>> Vista is headed to as quick a death as Microsoft can give it.
>>>>> Someday soon, some gun-toting Microsoft executive will lead Vista
>>>>> out back and "Pop!"
>>>>> Netbook
>>>>> buying trends and the sagging economy give Microsoft more reasons
>>>>> to want to off Vista as soon as humanly possible. The signs are
>>>>> everywhere:
>>>>> The vanishing license count. Every quarterly earnings since
>>>>> Vista's release, Microsoft executives counted up the number of
>>>>> licenses shipped. There was near silence during last week's 2009
>>>>> fiscal first-quarter earnings announcement.
>>>>> The
>>>>> number was 180 million three months earlier. It's now "What?"
>>>>> Microsoft's
>>>>> failure to toot "the number of Vista licenses" horn means something.
>>>>> Maybe
>>>>> the
>>>>> increase wasn't that great, or maybe Microsoft is moving beyond Vista.
>>>>> I say
>>>>> yes to both.
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows client income down. During the fiscal first quarter, the
>>>>> division's revenue grew a paltry 2 percent year over year, but
>>>>> income decreased by
>>>>> 4
>>>>> percent. Microsoft has no tough year-ago comparison to account for
>>>>> the weak results. By comparison, Business division revenue and
>>>>> income were up 20 percent and 23 percent, respectively. Microsoft
>>>>> attributed year-over-year Windows client income declines to sales
>>>>> of lower-cost versions in emerging markets and on netbooks in
>>>>> mature markets. Considering that PC shipment growth was still
>>>>> strong during the quarter, Windows results forebodes Vista weakness.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Increasing netbook sales. The product category is pure trouble for
>>>>> Microsoft because Windows Vista demands too much to adequately run
>>>>> on the hardware. So netbooks typically either ship with Linux or
>>>>> Windows XP Home. That netbook buyers would be satisfied with
>>>>> 7-year-old consumer XP is just about the only commentary necessary
>>>>> to understand Vista's market plight. According to Microsoft,
>>>>> netbooks added 8 percent growth to otherwise flat U.S. PC sales
>>>>> during the third calendar quarter. The category is hot, but Vista
>>>>> is not and couldn't be. Seven had better run well on netbooks and
>>>>> soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Windows. Life Without Walls." The marketing campaign should be
>>>>> called "Windows. Life Without Vista." If Vista is so successful,
>>>>> as Steve claims, then why isn't Microsoft advertising the
>>>>> software? Rather, Microsoft is trying to get away from Vista,
>>>>> abandoning a brand that it already invested tens of millions of
>>>>> dollars promoting. Its absent role at PDC says it all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are plenty of other signs:
>>>>> Continued OEM sales of XP downgrade licenses
>>>>>
>>>>> The aforementioned 10 percent enterprise adoption
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple's Mac market share gains (35 percent in U.S. retail revenue)
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft is moving beyond Vista to Windows 7. Windows Vista no
>>>>> longer matters.
>>>>> If it did:
>>>>> Enterprises would be buying it
>>>>>
>>>>> Consumers would be demanding it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft wouldn't freak out about Apple's "Get a Mac" ads
>>>>>
>>>>> The hottest new computer category, netbooks, would ship with Vista
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft would be aggressively advertising Vista, instead of
>>>>> trying to bury the brand
>>>>>
>>>>> Developers would be creating hunky Vista apps; instead, projects
>>>>> like Yahoo Messenger for Windows Vista are being abandoned
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've long said that Windows Vista isn't a bad operating system.
>>>>> It's just not particularly better than Windows XP. Strange, then,
>>>>> that Microsoft isn't messaging Seven as being particularly better
>>>>> than Windows Vista. It won't be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft believes, with some justification, that Vista has major
>>>>> perception problems. The company clearly has decided that negative
>>>>> perceptions can't be fixed. Hence, the diminished emphasis on
>>>>> Vista; starting tomorrow-and especially on Tuesday-an increased
>>>>> emphasis on Windows 7. By shifting emphasis to Seven, Microsoft is
>>>>> treating Vista perceptions mainly as a marketing problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vista deserved better market reception than it got. Strange, a few
>>>>> small improvements could have changed everything-like startup
>>>>> times.
>>>>> Everybody
>>>>> bitches about how long Vista takes to boot up or wake up from sleep.
>>>>> Last
>>>>> week,
>>>>> one of my longtime Windows buddies bought a MacBook. Yesterday we
>>>>> talked about startup times. He surprised me. He had already
>>>>> clocked startup times: 7 minutes on his Vista notebook and about a
>>>>> minute for the $1,299 MacBook. That's not scientific, but it
>>>>> needn't be. One user, one experience multiplied by 180 million
>>>>> Vista licenses is scientific enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Please send your tips or rumors to watchtips at gmail.com].
>>>>>
>>>>> Posted by Joe Wilcox on October 26, 2008 7:15 PM
>>>>>
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