I use many applications at a time and I have only 2 GB memory. But I never felt the need to have a little bit more memory, although I could add much more than 2 GB. Of course, I talk from my own perspective, because I don't play games that require very much memory, I don't edit sounds and other multimedia stuff. Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pfingstl, Alexander" <apfingstl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: AW: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd) The only advantage for Vista is, that you can us 4GB RAM and not only 3 or 3,5. For those who use many applications at a time, this could be a reason to upgrade. Alexander -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Octavian Rasnita Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 07:27 An: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Betreff: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd) And in this case, why upgrading to Vista? Just because it might have a nicer interface for the sighted which is completely unuseful for me? As I said, I will upgrade only if MS will stop supporting XP, because the security updates are really important. Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:55 PM Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd) > try to answer your self at this question, where you've seen ever a newer > windows consuming less sresources than previous versions? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:26 PM > Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd) > > >> Does that version consume less resources than Win XP? >> >> Octavian >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:45 PM >> Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd) >> >> >>> for the vista there is a better alternative named windows server 2008 >>> which is vista with out content protection and for this reason working >>> with 18% better than vista. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:58 PM >>> Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd) >>> >>> >>>> Well I guess those millions of users of Vista are those who use a >>>> cracked version, and that's why their number doesn't show anywhere. :-) >>>> >>>> I think I will never use Vista. Or just like XP, I will use it, if the >>>> next version of Windows will consume more resources than Vista and MS >>>> won't support XP. >>>> >>>> Octavian >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "tribble" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx> >>>> To: <blind-windows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; >>>> "bprogramming" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Science, Technology, >>>> Mathematics, SCI-FI, and more." <sci-tech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:40 PM >>>> Subject: Fw: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd) >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hey all -- What is your take on the following? >>>>> --le >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:01:21 -0800 >>>>> From: John Oram <norami@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> Reply-To: LifeRaft <survpc@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> To: LifeRaft <survpc@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> Subject: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters >>>>> >>>>> http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/windows_vista_no_longer_matters.html >>>>> >>>>> October 26, 2008 7:15 PM >>>>> Windows Vista No Longer Matters >>>>> >>>>> News Commentary. Did it ever? >>>>> >>>>> Make no mistake: Microsoft has moved beyond Windows Vista, which will >>>>> become >>>>> all too apparent during this week's Professional Developer Conference. >>>>> Windows >>>>> 7 is the future, and in many ways it's the present, too. >>>>> >>>>> Contrary to ridiculous assertions recently made by Microsoft CEO Steve >>>>> Ballmer, >>>>> Windows Vista is a flop. If businesses aren't buying Vista, after >>>>> waiting >>>>> six >>>>> (now seven) years, it's no success. Yet, during the last day of the >>>>> Gartner >>>>> 2008 expo 10 days ago, Steve asserted that Vista "has been extremely >>>>> successful." >>>>> >>>>> A few days earlier, Steve boasted: "Vista is our best-selling product >>>>> ever. >>>>> So, >>>>> if that takes too much getting over-we're not going to have products >>>>> that >>>>> are >>>>> much more successful than Vista has been. We sold over 180 million >>>>> copies in >>>>> the first 18 months, quite successful." Really? >>>>> >>>>> But who's buying this "best-selling" product ever? "We have 180 million >>>>> users, >>>>> mostly on the consumer market," Steve said in an Oct. 2 speech. Oh? >>>>> According >>>>> to Gartner analysts Neil MacDonald and David Smith, only about 10 >>>>> percent of >>>>> enterprises have adopted Windows Vista. That's not a high number, >>>>> particularly >>>>> in context of the approximately six years between Windows XP and Vista. >>>>> >>>>> It's not surprising then that PDC attendees will hear whole lots about >>>>> Windows >>>>> 7 this week and very little about its predecessor. Windows 7 banners >>>>> are >>>>> plentiful enough, as are the sessions: Out of 194, 22 are dedicated to >>>>> Seven >>>>> and none to Windows Vista. It has leprosy, baby, and nobody wants to >>>>> catch >>>>> it. >>>>> I Googled "PDC 2008," and one of the pages-not now available-is >>>>> "Unveiling >>>>> Windows 7 to the World." >>>>> >>>>> Vista is headed to as quick a death as Microsoft can give it. Someday >>>>> soon, >>>>> some gun-toting Microsoft executive will lead Vista out back and "Pop!" >>>>> Netbook >>>>> buying trends and the sagging economy give Microsoft more reasons to >>>>> want to >>>>> off Vista as soon as humanly possible. The signs are everywhere: >>>>> The vanishing license count. Every quarterly earnings since Vista's >>>>> release, >>>>> Microsoft executives counted up the number of licenses shipped. There >>>>> was >>>>> near >>>>> silence during last week's 2009 fiscal first-quarter earnings >>>>> announcement. >>>>> The >>>>> number was 180 million three months earlier. It's now "What?" >>>>> Microsoft's >>>>> failure to toot "the number of Vista licenses" horn means something. >>>>> Maybe >>>>> the >>>>> increase wasn't that great, or maybe Microsoft is moving beyond Vista. >>>>> I say >>>>> yes to both. >>>>> >>>>> Windows client income down. During the fiscal first quarter, the >>>>> division's >>>>> revenue grew a paltry 2 percent year over year, but income decreased by >>>>> 4 >>>>> percent. Microsoft has no tough year-ago comparison to account for the >>>>> weak >>>>> results. By comparison, Business division revenue and income were up 20 >>>>> percent >>>>> and 23 percent, respectively. Microsoft attributed year-over-year >>>>> Windows >>>>> client income declines to sales of lower-cost versions in emerging >>>>> markets >>>>> and >>>>> on netbooks in mature markets. Considering that PC shipment growth was >>>>> still >>>>> strong during the quarter, Windows results forebodes Vista weakness. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Increasing netbook sales. The product category is pure trouble for >>>>> Microsoft >>>>> because Windows Vista demands too much to adequately run on the >>>>> hardware. So >>>>> netbooks typically either ship with Linux or Windows XP Home. That >>>>> netbook >>>>> buyers would be satisfied with 7-year-old consumer XP is just about the >>>>> only >>>>> commentary necessary to understand Vista's market plight. According to >>>>> Microsoft, netbooks added 8 percent growth to otherwise flat U.S. PC >>>>> sales >>>>> during the third calendar quarter. The category is hot, but Vista is >>>>> not and >>>>> couldn't be. Seven had better run well on netbooks and soon. >>>>> >>>>> "Windows. Life Without Walls." The marketing campaign should be called >>>>> "Windows. Life Without Vista." If Vista is so successful, as Steve >>>>> claims, >>>>> then >>>>> why isn't Microsoft advertising the software? Rather, Microsoft is >>>>> trying to >>>>> get away from Vista, abandoning a brand that it already invested tens >>>>> of >>>>> millions of dollars promoting. Its absent role at PDC says it all. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There are plenty of other signs: >>>>> Continued OEM sales of XP downgrade licenses >>>>> >>>>> The aforementioned 10 percent enterprise adoption >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Apple's Mac market share gains (35 percent in U.S. retail revenue) >>>>> >>>>> Microsoft is moving beyond Vista to Windows 7. Windows Vista no longer >>>>> matters. >>>>> If it did: >>>>> Enterprises would be buying it >>>>> >>>>> Consumers would be demanding it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Microsoft wouldn't freak out about Apple's "Get a Mac" ads >>>>> >>>>> The hottest new computer category, netbooks, would ship with Vista >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Microsoft would be aggressively advertising Vista, instead of trying to >>>>> bury >>>>> the brand >>>>> >>>>> Developers would be creating hunky Vista apps; instead, projects like >>>>> Yahoo >>>>> Messenger for Windows Vista are being abandoned >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've long said that Windows Vista isn't a bad operating system. It's >>>>> just >>>>> not >>>>> particularly better than Windows XP. Strange, then, that Microsoft >>>>> isn't >>>>> messaging Seven as being particularly better than Windows Vista. It >>>>> won't >>>>> be. >>>>> >>>>> Microsoft believes, with some justification, that Vista has major >>>>> perception >>>>> problems. The company clearly has decided that negative perceptions >>>>> can't be >>>>> fixed. Hence, the diminished emphasis on Vista; starting tomorrow-and >>>>> especially on Tuesday-an increased emphasis on Windows 7. By shifting >>>>> emphasis >>>>> to Seven, Microsoft is treating Vista perceptions mainly as a marketing >>>>> problem. >>>>> >>>>> Vista deserved better market reception than it got. Strange, a few >>>>> small >>>>> improvements could have changed everything-like startup times. >>>>> Everybody >>>>> bitches about how long Vista takes to boot up or wake up from sleep. >>>>> Last >>>>> week, >>>>> one of my longtime Windows buddies bought a MacBook. Yesterday we >>>>> talked >>>>> about >>>>> startup times. He surprised me. He had already clocked startup times: 7 >>>>> minutes >>>>> on his Vista notebook and about a minute for the $1,299 MacBook. That's >>>>> not >>>>> scientific, but it needn't be. One user, one experience multiplied by >>>>> 180 >>>>> million Vista licenses is scientific enough. >>>>> >>>>> [Please send your tips or rumors to watchtips at gmail.com]. >>>>> >>>>> Posted by Joe Wilcox on October 26, 2008 7:15 PM >>>>> >>>>> __________ >>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>> >>>> >>>> __________ >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>> >>> >>> >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >> >> __________ >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind