RE: Story Boards

  • From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:32:01 -0400

For someone who is so detail oriented as yourself, I can't imagine it would
be terribly difficult to spell four letters: S I N A


Take care,

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew2007
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:22 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Story Boards

Great, great points. Your lawsuit will take at least 2 years to get off the
ground if you can even find a lawyer desperate enough to take a case with
the possibility of such a low return on time, effort, and especially
attorneys fees. You need to complete your assignments now and filing a
lawsuit will mean you will undoubtedly have to drop out of school since the
educational institution you're attending isn't meeting all your special
needs, right? This of course means you can't graduate. Oh yeah, then there's
that little thing with the possibility of any computer sciences graduate
being called as a witness against your claims. If you plan on suing your
school's DSS department, I'm sure they can generate plenty of disabled
students who have in fact graduated, which of course will direct all
attention to you who can't seem to get this done because DSS is supposedly
not meeting your needs.

Please, please get this lawsuit mentality out of your heads. It is always
easier said than done. Unless you've got at the very least 45,000 at your
disposal as well as a rock freakin solid discrimination suit, you are
wasting your time. Remember, if you lose you get to pay the school's
attorney's fees--they won't just forget the whole thing. Many lawsuits, if
not most, end in settlements, which means you've managed to talk things
through and come to an agreement. Why not skip the middleman and find a
middle ground for you and the disabled student services. There are of course
many simpletons around that feel violence and lawsuits are the only way to
resolve issues. These people haven't a clue as to what goes into their
uneducated and extremely silly opinions and notions of the working world,
but they voice them as if life were as easy as their silly and down right
stupid statements. I don't mean you Chris H.

Sana is right, talk, to, your, professor. In fact, since he is a computer
sciences professor, he might just be very interested in learning what the
computer world is like for a blind person. If you can't demonstrate your
assistive technology in person, then send him an MP3 file demonstrating how
you do your work. Heck, call him and demonstrate over the phone. For one
algebra professor I took in my brailed math problems and asked her to pick
any homework problem randomly, and I read my problems off to her in order to
demonstrate my ability to solve the math problems. There is always a way!

---- Original Message -----
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: Story Boards

> Wouldn't want to go about it in a sensible way, would we?
> 100 times out of 100, I have found the DSS office, and not the professor, 
> to
> be the most ignorant of both the intention, and even the letter of, ADA,
> 508, etc. This can be likened to Microsoft caring more about accessibility
> than the AT companies, for example.
> I think that a lot of these situations can be resolved by simply talking 
> to
> the professor in their office hours or on the phone and explaining the
> process by which you can translate your internal knowledge into external
> representations of that knowledge. Discussions involving lawyers tend to 
> be
> counterproductive at best, and costly over an amazing amount of time, at
> worst. Not to mention, you are simply feeding the already ridiculous
> stereotype that all blind folks are going to sue you if you do even one
> thing wrong. This is an unhealthy, unproductive, and amazingly all around
> bad idea.
> The entirety of Chris's technical suggestions were quite excellent; 
> however,
> and I urge you to follow them.
> Good luck
> Take care,
> Sina
> ________________________________
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris 
> Hofstader
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:38 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Story Boards
> Hi Marvin,
> Drawing tools have taken a back seat in the development priorities at the
> commercial AT companies.  We had a contractor (Will Pearson) working on a
> audio version of Visio that used 3D sound for us at FS a bunch of years 
> ago.
> When I moved on, FS shit canned Will and killed the project.
> One way to story board a project would be to make your "slides" using html
> itself.  The pages you make will not be fully functional but, rather,
> describe the contents of the page when it is finally completed.  This will
> provide a set of pages that your instructor can view in any order that he
> prefers and will contain all of the information you need to use to develop
> the stories for your ultimate project.
> Another approach would be to do it using the MS Word Outline mode
> (View/Outline in Word 2003, I haven't used it in 2007 yet so I can't tell
> you how to get it in that version).  The Word outliner creates kind of a
> tree view of information which can be up to 12 (I think) levels deep.  The
> person reading the document can set the depth she wants to view so, for
> instance, they can read the Heading 1 information to get a "big picture"
> overview of the information and, using the outliner button bar, or a 
> number
> of different useful keystrokes, they can drill down further.  This creates

> a
> hierarchical view of your story board which can be corrected to jump from
> topic to topic under different headings by using the Word hyperlink 
> feature
> (I know this works with JAWS but haven't tried it with Window-Eyes or 
> System
> Access).
> Another approach would be to use PowerPoint slides in a logical, albeit
> hierarchical manner.  It has been a long time since I did anything
> interesting with PowerPoint but, if I remember correctly, you can include
> hyperlinks that will let the reader jump from one slide to another in a 
> less
> sequential order.  I find it easiest to create PowerPoint slides using the
> MS Word outliner - items at level 1 will translate to PP slide titles and
> those at level 2 or higher become PP bullets.  Once you have your outline
> done in Word, you can go to File/Send To/PowerPoint and it will create 
> your
> PP slides for you and open PP to the top slide.  From there, you can edit
> the slides to add things like hyperlinks and such to spiff up your
> presentation.  I know that editing PP slides can be done pretty well with
> JAWS as I've done it myself but I have been told that it works pretty 
> nicely
> with Window-Eyes but have no hands on experience with it so can't speak to
> its usability.
> I'm sure there are other tools that a blink can use to accomplish such a
> task but I haven't tried any and cannot remember what other people have 
> told
> me over the years as my caffeine levels haven't reached the point where I
> can function at full capacity.
> If your instructor doesn't like any of the above accessible solutions, I
> recommend you get hold of a Braille embosser or Perkins Brailler and make 
> a
> whole lot of pages in Braille.  Do not add any printed information and 
> turn
> in the project using only Braille and tactile graphics ( has a nice 
> program
> for doing this).  If the instructor complains, tell him that it was the 
> only
> accessible solution he hadn't rejected yet and that you will deal with the
> Office of the Dean of Students to try to help you negotiate a solution 
> that
> will work for you and the instructor.
> If your instructor does not allow you to use a technique that is 
> accessible
> typically colleges have an office of disability affairs and, if not, they
> definitely have a Dean of Students.  People in these departments are 
> usually
> quite helpful and aware of ADA and, if your college gets Federal money 
> (most
> do), 508 as well.  No one wants a discrimination lawsuit and, if it comes 
> to
> a point where you and your instructor reach a point at which negotiation 
> no
> longer provides either of you with any satisfaction, your lawyer's office 
> is
> the next stop.
> You can write to me privately or call me on Skype if you want to discuss
> this further.
> Enjoy,
> cdh
> ________________________________
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of marvin hunkin
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:00 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Story Boards
> Hi.
> doing a project for my website development course.
> now, part of the requirements says that i need to create a story board to
> represent what content is to be displayed on each page.
> Now sighted students, would draw navigation and story board diagrams.
> now, had to do this in word tables and tried html.
> but my lecturer is still not happy with what i have come up with.
> now, just wondering, is there any software, that might be able to 
> represent
> the story boards for the four websites that i am developing for this
> semester.
> any tips, tricks, or any other similar experiences.
> let me know, if anyone been in the same position.
> unfortunately the guy who did start to develop an accessible text to 
> speech
> drawing software, got his phd, and did not complete the project and still 
> in
> limbo.
> he got to the third user tests, and then nicked off.
> he did this at Burkely University in Callifornia and the product was to be
> called Intercommunication Draw 2.
> okay, can you help out or give suggestions or how to resolve these 
> problems?
> cheers Marvin.
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