RE: Need tutorials of VB6

  • From: Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 22:05:29 +0000

Implementing custom protocols might be something down the line for me, but the 
huge question is where to start and what to learn first to get it to work 
properly.  

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christopher Coale
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 6:02 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6

I'm not very experienced without any kind of telephony protocols; however, if 
.NET doesn't offer support for a specific protocol that just means you have two 
choices: download a library that implements it, or implement the protocol 
yourself.

On 7/22/2011 2:57 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:
> I know this, but the .net framework offers no classes for the protocols STUN, 
> RTP, or SIP, I don't think.  Does it?  And the problem, most CIP software 
> seems to require a softphone and a number to connect to it rather than being 
> based on user name/ID and password to talk or IM with it.  I'd have to first 
> extend the .net framework, right?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Coale
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 5:22 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
>
> There's no reason you can't. ;)
>
> On 7/22/2011 2:18 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:
>> I was thinking more like a Skype-ish clone.  Something like that but with an 
>> open protocol.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>> Christopher Coale
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 5:16 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
>>
>> That's something that can very easily be written using .NET. In fact, a 
>> close friend of mine created a whiteboard sharing application not too long 
>> ago using C#.
>>
>> You might not necessarily hit a wall that says it can't be done, but you 
>> will definitely hit a wall that says "this seems too complicated to do in 
>> this language." If that's the case, you choose a more suitable language.
>>
>> On 7/22/2011 2:13 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:
>>> I think that my concern at the moment is limits.  If I work most of my 
>>> programming (for I never want to program to make money, that's the 
>>> administrator in me), will I eventually hit a wall and find that I want to 
>>> do something but can't?  Like for instance, who's ever seen a web 
>>> conferencing software written based off the .net framework?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 4:55 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
>>>
>>> It's interesting C++ is marginalized as a low level language because it 
>>> inherited from C the support for such things as register declarations and 
>>> pointers that can go out of bounds (which can be useful in some contexts) 
>>> and even asm for getting directly to the assembly level.
>>> But it is a also full of all the elaborate high level constructs that get 
>>> messy for those who mix the high and low level stuff without knowing what 
>>> they are doing.
>>>
>>> I don't know about anyone else, but I'm glad there have been spinoff 
>>> languages that cater to different types of applications.
>>> Getting everyone to learn a single unified standard would be difficult and 
>>> perhaps wouldn't work.
>>> I say that because you don't know what future technologies will come along 
>>> and put pressure on the language lawyers to add new features to the super 
>>> language, and perhaps some of these would clash -- or and mess up the 
>>> definition and implementation of the super language.
>>> I speak from experience as I worked as a compiler and tool developer for 
>>> C++ during the years C++ was evolving.  The language kept changing so we 
>>> had to take a messy prototype from research and scramble to make 
>>> modifications in design to fix inevitable bugs.  It was interesting work 
>>> that I felt privileged to do, but That was a long time ago, and things have 
>>> moved on.
>>> I am using java lately, and indeed it is a different paradigm from C++.
>>>
>>> So my vote is to keep the languages separate.
>>> Happy hacking.
>>> --le
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Katherine Moss"<Katherine.Moss@xxxxxxxxxx> 
>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 3:20 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Need tutorials of VB6
>>>
>>>
>>> You see, that's what I don't get.  If they say (Microsoft, and 
>>> others), that C# is just as capable as C++ for the lower level stuff 
>>> if you learn the unsafe code marking technique in it, then why 
>>> doesn't C# support all things like MAPI, lower-level device drivers, 
>>> IIS ISAPI filters and extensions, and all other things that it is 
>>> clearly stated require C++?  I mean, if we have Microsoft and other 
>>> C# sites telling us that C# can do the same things, it just seems a 
>>> bit silly to have requirements in another language for some things, right?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>>> Littlefield, Tyler
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 4:11 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
>>>
>>> c++ is great for lower level. And if you -need- to make calls to
>>> c++ win32
>>> (which everything just sort of wraps around anyway), you can use 
>>> pinvoke
>>> (pinvoke.net)
>>> On 7/22/2011 1:45 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:
>>>> I think it's just my feeling that the CLR has been around long 
>>>> enough that it should be ahead of everything else in the Windows OS 
>>>> and environment, and that lower-level languages like C++ should not 
>>>> have to be a requirement for certain things.  Take MAPI, for 
>>>> instance.  I was reading something about that as I was briefly 
>>>> interested in trying to help when I get good enough on the existing 
>>>> projects there to make open source Outlook Extensions to make it's 
>>>> groupware features not be reliant upon Exchange server to make them 
>>>> work.  Take HMailServer for instance.  The source is no longer open 
>>>> (though the program is still free thankfully for whatever reason), 
>>>> but add-ins are aloud, so why not give it some groupware abilities 
>>>> and have it be another alternative to Exchange server's masivity?
>>>> But my point is here that if microsoft seems to be pushing .net, 
>>>> then why are they still requiring certain languages for certain 
>>>> things?  You see, this is one of the hopeful things I want to see 
>>>> with Windows 8, that .net and Win32 will be peers rather than 
>>>> separate entities in which they can only cooperate using interop.
>>>> And talk about interop, Microsoft had intentionally made MAPI unsupportive 
>>>> of interop.  Why, I wonder?
>>>> Sounds like a nasty marketing tactic.  I can't prove that, but that was 
>>>> more of an inferred thing when reading about it.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Littlefield, Tyler
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 3:16 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
>>>>
>>>> You've explained what enhancement (since there is only 1) in terms 
>>>> of memory management, but you were throwing around "benafits of the CLR,"
>>>> when we were talking about native c++, and thus the CLR wouldn't 
>>>> really matter there. Oppinions are nice, but what you give 
>>>> generally is misguided information because you've developed some 
>>>> overbearing urge toward .net without any actual reasoning behind it 
>>>> beyond "x says it's awesome, it must be awesome."
>>>> On 7/22/2011 9:18 AM, Katherine Moss wrote:
>>>>> In terms of facts though, I mean, what facts?  Is not programming, 
>>>>> which language is better, which language offers enhancements for 
>>>>> which user, isn't that always going to be an opinion?  I mean, 
>>>>> I've been asked before to state facts regarding the .net 
>>>>> framework's superiority over other programming models.  How in the 
>>>>> world am I supposed to do that if the only real stuff out there saying 
>>>>> that it's better are opinions anyway?
>>>>> So anything I state that's better than other models, isn't that an 
>>>>> opinion?  And just restating what Microsoft has to say regarding 
>>>>> their own technology, that's kind of counterproductive, isn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken 
>>>>> Perry
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:15 AM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: RE: Need tutorials of VB6
>>>>>
>>>>> I know it's hard to say anything sometimes but say it anyway and 
>>>>> just ignore the rif raf.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Katherine Moss
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:19 AM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: RE: Need tutorials of VB6
>>>>>
>>>>> I was going to say that too, but my presence tends to poison the 
>>>>> network, so I didn't say anything LOL.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Littlefield, Tyler
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:55 AM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
>>>>>
>>>>> I recommend you don't learn vb6 if this is your first language, 
>>>>> but learn something that will help you and is more up-to-date. like 
>>>>> vb.net.
>>>>> On 7/22/2011 7:42 AM, Chetan Sharma wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Friends,
>>>>>> I'm learning Visual Basic 6, There are number of tutorials 
>>>>>> available on the Internet, it is hard for me to choose good one.
>>>>>> Can you help me to find good one?
>>>>>> Because, there are many VB experts on the list and they know 
>>>>>> which one is better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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