Good call. Sorry 'bout that, that was about two hours ago and I hadn't had coffee in me yet. I'm sane now. Or, at least, more sane than I was pre caffeine..
Jared On 4/7/2009 4:44 AM, Holdsworth, Lynn wrote:
Hi,I've no comment to make, but just wanted to change the subject line to reflect the topic under discussion. I keep opening messages thinking I'm about to learn something new about Eclipse.Thanks, Lynn Lynn Holdsworth Web Analyst/Programmer - www.rnib.org.uk T: 020 7391 2366 E: lynn.holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------------*From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Jared Wright*Sent:* 07 April 2009 09:19 *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* Re: How To Use EclipseNo, it won't stay that way. Really, can you think of something JAWS can do that couldn't be accomplished with a WE script? Just a script may still need to be actually made, but that is basically all JFW has going for it at this point--its existing library of scripts. Turnaround time for fixing bugs, management of system resources, out of the box functionality without even writing scripts, Window Eyes does all these things more completely. Volume purchasers of access tech still haven't figured out that JAWS is the Internet Explorer of screen readers, but that's an economic matter, not a technical one. combine this with FS's frivolous law suits that, if successfully pursued, are guarantee to stagnate the forward progression of screen reader access for Windows. Do we still think there's a real comparison between the two moving forward? At least until FS tells us something we don't know about? And to that end, what was the last FS update to JFW that one could seriously call an obvious improvement? It's been a long time. JAWS' position "ahead of the game" as you put it is basically living on borrowed time that you and other JAWS scritpers over the years have blessed it with. Once Window Eyes gets foundations set for some really pivotal applications, we can revisit this topic. But, yes, I think the potential technical ceiling of the two is for now and open and closed discussion.I'll probably leave this here, although I certainly don't feel bad in talking about it on this list, given this list's propensity to turn into an unofficial JAWS tech support list some days.On 4/6/2009 9:10 PM, Ken Perry wrote:I will not write a long comment on this but it is far from open and closed. Just because they have a nice comm. Interface doesn't mean that they suddenly caught up with access. I have used both and still do. Jaws is still ahead of the game because their scripts are more advanced. That will not stay that way but to say the discussion is dead already that is not true.Ken*From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Jared Wright*Sent:* Monday, April 06, 2009 10:33 AM *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* Re: How To Use EclipseFs is just nervous because WE's scripting implementation seems to render the technical comparison between the two an open and closed discussion. What else were they supposed to do? Other than actively and vigorously improve their product, of course...Jared On 4/6/2009 7:10 AM, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 wrote: Freedom Scientific is going to use that extra money to pursue groundless law suits too. I have a copy of Window-Eyes 3.11 that does what Freedom Scientific is now complaining about yet it was released before their patent application and approval. That function is to be able to return to a specific location on a web page and Window-Eyes was doing that with MSAA all those years ago. I bought my copy of Window-eyes when it was current during the Clinton Administration and Freedom Scientific got its patent approved in 2006. Hopefully Freedom Scientific will go the way of the SCO Group and for the same reasons.Rot47:<;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=>-----Original Message----- From:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 22:39 To:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: How To Use EclipseWell, I guess I don't touch JFW if I can avoid it, so my remarks were moretowards software in general. Window Eyes might progress slower than I'd like sometimes, but it does progress forward. Sorry you guys aren't in the same position.Jared On 4/5/2009 3:06 PM, Ken Perry wrote:Grin no. The reason there are new Jaws is so that freedom scientific can charge you more money snicker.Ken-----Original Message----- From:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:55 PM To:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: How To Use EclipseOn 4/5/2009 10:23 AM, Octavian Râsnita wrote: "It works fine with newer versions of Jaws though..." 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