RE: How To Use Eclipse
- From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26" <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:25:18 -0400
If the F.S. law suits succeed and put Window-Eyes out of business there are
still three more competitors F.S. will have to take on. Thunder screen
reader; the NVDA project, and system access. None of those would be
operational now had Jaws been priced on the quick nickels model rather than
the slow dollars model from the get go. I forgot Kurzweil screen reader
though if memory serves that's closer to Window-eyes pricing than Jaws.
Everything in the market other than Jaws is an entry level screen reader
system with Window-eyes being the screen reader closest to Joining Jaws in
that status.
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:19
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: How To Use Eclipse
No, it won't stay that way. Really, can you think of something JAWS can do
that couldn't be accomplished with a WE script? Just a script may still need
to be actually made, but that is basically all JFW has going for it at this
point--its existing library of scripts. Turnaround time for fixing bugs,
management of system resources, out of the box functionality without even
writing scripts, Window Eyes does all these things more completely. Volume
purchasers of access tech still haven't figured out that JAWS is the
Internet Explorer of screen readers, but that's an economic matter, not a
technical one. combine this with FS's frivolous law suits that, if
successfully pursued, are guarantee to stagnate the forward progression of
screen reader access for Windows. Do we still think there's a real
comparison between the two moving forward? At least until FS tells us
something we don't know about? And to that end, what was the last FS update
to JFW that one could seriously call an obvious improvement? It's been a
long time. JAWS' position "ahead of the game" as you put it is basically
living on borrowed time that you and other JAWS scritpers over the years
have blessed it with. Once Window Eyes gets foundations set for some really
pivotal applications, we can revisit this topic. But, yes, I think the
potential technical ceiling of the two is for now and open and closed
discussion.
I'll probably leave this here, although I certainly don't feel bad in
talking about it on this list, given this list's propensity to turn into an
unofficial JAWS tech support list some days.
On 4/6/2009 9:10 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
I will not write a long comment on this but it is far from open and
closed. Just because they have a nice comm. Interface doesn?t mean that
they suddenly caught up with access. I have used both and still do. Jaws is
still ahead of the game because their scripts are more advanced. That will
not stay that way but to say the discussion is dead already that is not
true.
Ken
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:33 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: How To Use Eclipse
Fs is just nervous because WE's scripting implementation seems to
render the technical comparison between the two an open and closed
discussion. What else were they supposed to do? Other than actively and
vigorously improve their product, of course...
Jared
On 4/6/2009 7:10 AM, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 wrote:
Freedom Scientific is going to use that extra money to pursue
groundless law
suits too. I have a copy of Window-Eyes 3.11 that does what Freedom
Scientific is now complaining about yet it was released before their
patent
application and approval.
That function is to be able to return to a specific location on a
web page
and Window-Eyes was doing that with MSAA all those years ago. I
bought my
copy of Window-eyes when it was current during the Clinton
Administration
and Freedom Scientific got its patent approved in 2006. Hopefully
Freedom
Scientific will go the way of the SCO Group and for the same
reasons.
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared
Wright
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 22:39
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: How To Use Eclipse
Well, I guess I don't touch JFW if I can avoid it, so my remarks
were more
towards software in general. Window Eyes might progress slower than
I'd like
sometimes, but it does progress forward. Sorry you guys aren't in
the same
position.
Jared
On 4/5/2009 3:06 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
Grin no. The reason there are new Jaws is so that freedom
scientific
can charge you more money snicker.
Ken
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On 4/5/2009 10:23 AM, Octavian Râsnita wrote:
"It works fine with newer versions of Jaws though..."
That is the point of JAWS having "newer versions," no?
Jared
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