Re: Getting started learning VB6

  • From: Jacques Bosch <jfbosch@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:23:51 +0200

Agreed and disagreed.
Formal is good on many levels, but often self-learning, passionate coders
can be shaped into awesome resources. I think programming is one of the few
fields in which it is possible to do well without a formal education. Having
said that, you obviously must have a great aptitude for it, and I have found
that most people don't.
My view is basically, if you don't absolutely love programming, then don't
try to become a full-time programmer as you won't become a good one.


On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:12 PM, RicksPlace <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi: If you are considering becoming a Professional, there is no substitute
> for a formal education at a quality University. If you get a degree from a
> good State  University you will have the logic, cognitive and other skills
> to become a professional programmer. That is not something you are likely to
> do on your own. Perhaps someone else has done it but in the field they will
> require at least a degree, 2 or 4 years, and they will prefer experience as
> well. You can get the degree from the school and perhaps some experience
> there as well through the Financial Aid Center or by volunteering to help or
> even tutor other students. Everything you can get to put on a resume is what
> you want and sitting in your paren'ts basement playing with your computer is
> not likely to give you much to put on a resume.
> Rick USA
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <
> tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 4:51 PM
>
> Subject: Re: Getting started learning VB6
>
>
>  .net comes with compilers, as far as I know. the user could learn a
>> worth-while language, while still learning to program. You will not find to
>> many job opportunities around that use Libertybasic, if any, as well as the
>> fact that you need to pay for Libertybasic, and it still has an IDE as well
>> as a really whacked syntax you need to learn. I believe (and many schools
>> seem to be thinking along the same lines as I am), that the OP would be fine
>> learning something like that.
>> On 2/15/2011 1:20 PM, RicksPlace wrote:
>>
>>> Hi: Mono sounds nice but I would not recommend it for a raw beginner.
>>> Actually I would not recommend VB.net to a raw programming beginner. A true
>>> beginner needs a really simple platform like that provided by some simple
>>> scripting language or a easy to learn platform like Power Basic or Liberty
>>> Basic. The concepts of how to write a program by solving problems one step
>>> at a time and then coding one statement, one step, at a time will be
>>> daunting enough. Trying to learn to navigate the VS IDE on top of that is
>>> too much to expect from a totally raw beginner. What is a variable? What
>>> types of variables are there? How would you open a door one step at a time?
>>> How would you balance your checkbook one step at a time and use algebra
>>> symbols in the example solution along with If and End If statements. These
>>> are the things that a beginner needs to learn. The syntax of a language are
>>> secondary to learning how to perform problem solving using math symbols and
>>> then conditional statements and pseudo code and finally using the syntax of
>>> an English Like language. Anyway, I recommend that if the beginner does not
>>> have any programming experience he try vbscript, Liberty Basic or perhaps
>>> Power Basic or something along those lines to learn about using computer
>>> code to solve real world problems before tackling a productivity tool like
>>> VB.net or Visual Studio. There are e-lists dedicated to these easier
>>> languages and when I was learning I found those folks really helpful and
>>> willing to do some hand-holding while I learned about things.
>>> Perhaps learning to do some simple applications using VbScript would be a
>>> good way to learn about variables, loops and conditional statements. Then
>>> move up to try something like VB.net.
>>> That way he would just write some computer statements in a text editor,
>>> run them as a simple script and learn about the basic programming concepts
>>> without worrying about the complexity of the Vb.net IDE which can be
>>> daunting in and of itself.
>>> Rick USA.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1,
>>> 26" <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Getting started learning VB6
>>>
>>>
>>> Mono differs from dot net in that version 2.0 of dot net and mono work
>>> together across several platforms.  Later versions of dot net are in the
>>> works for support on mono though.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
>>> Tyler
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:53
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Getting started learning VB6
>>>
>>> Mono is not the same as the .net framework. Just get the express edition
>>>
>>> and you're good. Also: if you are a student, you get vs 2010 free, and
>>> Microsoft also gives out vs 2010 ultimate to MSDNAA members.
>>> On 2/15/2011 9:31 AM, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 wrote:
>>>
>>>> There may not be enough money to use and learn dot net.  Fortunately,
>>>> mono can be installed and will run on Windows as well as Linux and the
>>>> price tag is $0.00.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
>>>> Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:28
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: RE: Getting started learning VB6
>>>>
>>>> No, not without knowing your visual status.  If you have memory of
>>>> having had vision or better yet have a little useable vision your best
>>>> bet would be to learn the language with windows forms.  If you have no
>>>> memory of vision, then your best bet would be to learn the language
>>>> using the console interface, and these are two completely different
>>>> paths.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Otis D
>>>>
>>> Blue
>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:22
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Getting started learning VB6
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Could someone suggest where I can go to learn how to use VB as a
>>>> beginner?
>>>> I would like to get the understanding of the language and how to
>>>>
>>> create
>>>
>>>> software with it.
>>>>
>>>> Otis Blue
>>>>
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