That sounds frustrating! Here in SA just promised placements are often not fulfilled either. I actually never studied programming through any official means. I just learnt through self study and had the good fortune of getting the right opportunities. On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote: > hi, > > i went through 2 different trade schools for programming, was promised > placement/internships from both and never did get a foot in the door for > programming ten years ago. > > i have been getting used to vb.net and create small apps for personal use. > > I gained a contract with the state of missouri and provide rehab > engineering when i get a client here and there. > > Bryan Schulz > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jacques Bosch <jfbosch@xxxxxxxxx> > *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2011 12:44 AM > *Subject:* Re: Getting started learning VB6 > > Haha. Ok, that is me. Jacques > I work at a huge, international civil engineering company in South Africa > in a small software development department that has nothing much to do with > civil engineering. :) > This is my 3rd year here on a contract basis, but before that I was a > partner in a custom software development house for 4 years and before that I > worked several years writing data processing software for the telecoms > industry. > > I got this job because of a connection here that we worked with on a big > project while I was still at my previous company. He heard I was in the > market and so they made me an offer. > > I'm actually quite keen to get into something new now as the traveling to > the office is becoming very painful for my family. Something working from > home etc. > > Don't know if that was of any help. :) > Jacques > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote: > >> hi, >> >> don't remember now, the man who said he is a professional programmer. >> >> Bryan Schulz >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Jacques Bosch <jfbosch@xxxxxxxxx> >> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:48 PM >> *Subject:* Re: Getting started learning VB6 >> >> Hi Brian. >> >where do you work and how did you get the job? >> Who is the question for? >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote: >> >>> hi, >>> >>> where do you work and how did you get the job? >>> >>> Bryan Schulz >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Jacques Bosch <jfbosch@xxxxxxxxx> >>> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:07 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: Getting started learning VB6 >>> >>> I am a professional C# developer that has been using Visual Studio since >>> version 2003. Almost 7 years now. >>> There is very little, that I am not able to do with the Express version >>> of Visual Studio at home that I do with the Premium versions at work. >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Littlefield, Tyler <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> here's my two cents: If someone wants cross-platform, there are things >>>> like c++, Python, or Java. If the OP wants windows programming, then use >>>> what's there. vs express and .net framework 4.0. No sense in using an >>>> outdated library (mono) that only supports half of the features. I like the >>>> idea of the project, but really the .net framework is going to be used >>>> anywhere in the market. >>>> >>>> On 2/15/2011 11:28 AM, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 wrote: >>>> >>>>> If it's only windows programming that will be done and the code will >>>>> never be used in a cross-platform context then yes. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>>>> Littlefield, >>>>> Tyler >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 13:22 >>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: Re: Getting started learning VB6 >>>>> >>>>> so your recommending the OP use an out-dated version of a framework >>>>> that >>>>> >>>>> is supported natively on windows? we're 3 versions on from version 2.0, >>>>> with lots of new features and lots of changes. >>>>> On 2/15/2011 11:08 AM, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Mono differs from dot net in that version 2.0 of dot net and mono work >>>>>> together across several platforms. Later versions of dot net are in >>>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>>> works for support on mono though. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>>>>> >>>>> Littlefield, >>>>> >>>>>> Tyler >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:53 >>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Subject: Re: Getting started learning VB6 >>>>>> >>>>>> Mono is not the same as the .net framework. Just get the express >>>>>> >>>>> edition >>>>> >>>>>> and you're good. Also: if you are a student, you get vs 2010 free, and >>>>>> Microsoft also gives out vs 2010 ultimate to MSDNAA members. >>>>>> On 2/15/2011 9:31 AM, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> There may not be enough money to use and learn dot net. Fortunately, >>>>>>> mono can be installed and will run on Windows as well as Linux and >>>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>>> >>>>>> price tag is $0.00. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> DaShiell, >>>>>>> Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:28 >>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> Subject: RE: Getting started learning VB6 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, not without knowing your visual status. If you have memory of >>>>>>> having had vision or better yet have a little useable vision your >>>>>>> >>>>>> best >>>>> >>>>>> bet would be to learn the language with windows forms. If you have >>>>>>> >>>>>> no >>>>> >>>>>> memory of vision, then your best bet would be to learn the language >>>>>>> using the console interface, and these are two completely different >>>>>>> paths. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Otis D >>>>>>> >>>>>> Blue >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:22 >>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> Subject: Getting started learning VB6 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could someone suggest where I can go to learn how to use VB as a >>>>>>> beginner? >>>>>>> I would like to get the understanding of the language and how to >>>>>>> >>>>>> create >>>>>> >>>>>>> software with it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Otis Blue >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Join Blind-entrepreneurs by subscribing at >>>>>>> blind-entrepreneurs-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> Rules for the list is simple. >>>>>>> Be respectful to everyone and no fial language. 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