Re: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to know!

  • From: "tribble" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:15:57 -0500

Hi all -- I just wanted to say grreat job and thanks to all those who have 
worked on the VS scripts -- back when it got started I considered seeing if 
there was a way for me to contribute, but I got involved in unrelated things 
and never found the time to enter the fray...  I wanted to do it partly for my 
own selfish reasons to get more familiar with Microsoft development, but alas, 
things didn't work out, at least not then.
Anyway,  as for now, when i get my new laptop with Vista on it, I may well grab 
Visual Studio and do something with it (at least that's my intention).  Staying 
plugged into current technology is a full time job it seems,, something I did 
once in school/work and can't seem to let go of entirely, as it is interesting.
Cheers and happy hacking.
--le

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andreas Stefik 
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:43 PM
  Subject: Re: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to know!


  Ok,

  Current order is then:

  Mazrui, Jamal and Perry, Ken and Pearson, Will and Roth, Travis and Bahram, 
Sina and Torpey, Peter

  Since Jamal is now listed as first author, and he wants this ordering, I'm 
going to go with this one. Thanks everyone for your responses!

  Andreas



  On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

    I got the code from Ken that incorporated work done by Pearson and Roth.
     I had no direct contact with them and do not know how much was theirs.
    I think Ken should be listed above them.  There had been talk of doing
    VS scripts for over a year, but it was Ken who actually got the project
    into the community and gave it momentum.

    Jamal
    On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Ken Perry
    wrote:

    > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:02:22 -0700

    > From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

    > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

    > Subject: RE: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to 
know!

    >
    >
    >
    > Parson I think might need to be farther don't he list.  I think he only
    > added one bit I am not sure though if Jamal thinks he should be up with 
him
    > don't matter to me but from what I understand he didn't do anything but 
add
    > a bit.
    >
    > Ken
    >
    >   _____
    >
    > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Stefik
    > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:51 AM
    > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    > Subject: Re: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to
    > know!
    >
    >
    > Lol,
    >
    > Yaa, I know the way science writes down authors is pretty silly --- no
    > argument from me! Thanks for everyone's responses, I'll go with the
    > following order, as it seems to be the consensus:
    >
    > Mazrui, Jamal and Pearson, Will and Roth, Travis and Perry, Ken and 
Bahram,
    > Sina and Torpey, Peter
    >
    > Thanks all,
    >
    > Andreas
    >
    > P.S. If there is a spelling mistake here on your name, or you want to
    > discuss the matter further, you are welcome to get in touch with me off
    > list.
    >
    >
    >
    > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
    >
    >
    > I have no disagreement with the characterizations folks have
    > given on this question.
    >
    > Jamal
    >
    > On
    > Sun, 24 Aug 2008, Andreas Stefik wrote:
    >
    > > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:58:44 -0700
    > > From: Andreas Stefik <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
    > > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    > > Subject: Re: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to
    > know!
    >
    > >
    > > Thanks, Folks.
    > >
    > > Scientific papers list contributors in the order by which the largest
    > > contribution was made. I know that's a somewhat subjective way of doing
    > > things (and it is pretty subjective in science writing in general), but
    > > that's just the way it is. Any idea which ordering would be the most 
fair
    > in
    > > this case?
    > >
    > > After reading the posts, my "guess" as to what is fair, would be:
    > >
    > > Will Pearson, Travis Roth, Jamal Mazrui, Ken Perry, Sina Bahram, Peter
    > > Torpey
    > >
    > > Anyone else have any thoughts? Jamal, what do you think (If you are
    > reading
    > > this post?)
    > >
    > > Andreas
    > >
    > >
    > > On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 3:16 AM, Ricks Place <OFBGMail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
    > >
    > > >  Hi:
    > > > Those guys Ken mentions are the main folks I remember as some of the
    > root
    > > > developers. Will Pearson was one of the most interesting of all the
    > gurus.
    > > > He was a Microsoft VIP and had an amazing understanding of the MS
    > > > development environment from a practicle and theoretical perspective. 
If
    > I
    > > > remember he was working on his PHD over in England. Eventually he had
    > other
    > > > projects whichhave dragged him away from posting much on list but he 
was
    > an
    > > > amazing intellect when it came to anything Microsoft related.
    > > > I think Ken or Sina or Inthane might know how you might contact him if
    > you
    > > > want to do a short bio on the guys. Ken, Sina, Inthane and others
    > continue
    > > > posting on list and are very sharp, experienced  and well educated
    > minds. Inthane has built the backbone of the blind repository for allot of
    > > > documentation and is, or was, a student if I remember. A short bio in 
a
    > > > University peer publication would be a nice little pat on the back for
    > those
    > > > folks who opened up the Visual Studio Programming Environment to the
    > rest of
    > > > us.
    > > > Rick Farmington Mich. USA
    > > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > >
    >
    > > > *From:* Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    > > > *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    > > > *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:59 PM
    > > > *Subject:* RE: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want
    > to
    > > > know!
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Last time I looked all the contributors were listed in the top of the
    > > > script file.  In fact I just opened it with my reply and here is what 
it
    > > > says
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > ;Contributors (alphabetically): Sina Bahram, Jamal Mazrui, Will 
Pearson,
    > > > Ken Perry, Travis Roth, Peter Torpey
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Now with that said if you want to know kind of a chronology to things 
it
    > > > started with Will and Travis  working with Microsoft.  I am not sure 
if
    > > > Travis worked with Microsoft directly but I know Will was.  They had
    > created
    > > > a lot of basic scripts for it.  I then came along and asked if anyone
    > had
    > > > wrote anything.  Both travis and Will told me they had stuff but it 
was
    > not
    > > > ready for release.  I asked them for their code so I could put 
something
    > > > together that people could use until something better came along.  So
    > with
    > > > their code and a bit of what I wrote the first scripts were born.  
After
    > > > that jamal has taken the project and ran like a crazed professional 
line
    > > > backer straight through a high school defense.  The others listed have
    > done
    > > > modifications to fit certain needs.
    > > >  ------------------------------
    > > > *From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
    > > > programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Andreas Stefik
    > > > *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 12:26 PM
    > > > *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    > > > *Subject:* Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to
    > > > know!
    > > >
    > > >  Hey everyone,
    > > >
    > > > It's been a while since I've mailed the list (quite the hectic summer
    > for
    > > > me, as I was looking for work (I ended up taking a professorship at
    > Central
    > > > Washington University)).
    > > >
    > > > So everyone knows, I'm currently working on a journal publication of
    > some
    > > > of the blind programming work I've been doing over the last few years.
    > In
    > > > it, I want to site the Visual Studio 2005-8 JAWS scripts available on
    > the
    > > > grab bag site, and mention them as being the best available scripts 
for
    > the
    > > > environment (that I know of!).
    > > >
    > > > So, what does that mean?
    > > >
    > > > If you were a primary contributor to the scripts and you would like to
    > > > obtain credit, please email in this thread with your full name.
    > > > Alternatively, if you don't feel comfortable putting your name out
    > publicly,
    > > > but want credit, you can email me directly.
    > > >
    > > > And last, does anyone have an official contributor list? I only want 
to
    > > > cite the top contributors (especially if there are many!), as there
    > isn't
    > > > much space in publications usually.
    > > >
    > > > Hope to hear from you, hope everyone is having a great summer.
    > > >
    > > > Andreas
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >
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