I am a programmer and an active member of the NFB. I concur and will do what I can to raise the visibility of Oracle in our organization, but I can't let this go by without saying that the NFB and others who press companies for software we can use are only as strong as blind people and those they recruit decide we should be. Whether it's finding the technical people to talk the language of the developers, the legal people to talk the language of the lawyers and the executives, or the funds to attend the meetings where the persuasion takes place, none of this happens without the active and vigorous involvement of blind folks. In the U.S. these days, we hear a lot about the power of the individual, and none of us with an ego would argue against the power of choice in our lives - especially those choices we've made that are right. It's common to hear what "they," should do and to say "I'm not much of a joiner," or "I'm not much for that political stuff," but the kind of change we want requires both individual drive, native intelligence, and an abundance of energy, as well as the good-sense to join with others who have the same needs and who have a joint commitment to see that they are met. I make this point to emphasize that it isn't that we have an abundance of money, talent and time and all we need do is decide where to put it. We need more of all of them, and I hope folks who really want this accessibility as I do will join in an active, organized effort to get it. Gary - -----Original Message----- From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eileen Lafond Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:00 PM To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [program-l] Re: oracle and blind programmer Right on!! Eileen La Fond Phone (206) 386-0011 e.mail Eileen.LaFond@xxxxxxxxxxx >>> david.lant1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 07/30 2:02 AM >>> ... And all this just goes to confirm my proposal that NFB and the like should be spending *far* more time rattling Oracle's cage about their accessibility efforts. To my mind, there is no excuse for tools being this inaccessible these days. All the best, David ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:program-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** program-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:program-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** program-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq