[program-l] Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
- From: Øyvind Lode <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:48:14 +0200
Could you send me your scheme file?
Which version of Visual Studio are you using?
-----Original Message-----
From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: 24. mai 2010 19:38
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [program-l] Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
I don't know what to tell you, it speaks the indentation for me (jfw10).
I use a slightly modified vs.net indent scheme (I added triggers for
breakpoints and the current line while executing).
I have it set to read all punctuation and punctuation controlled by
jaws. I also have the "Speak indented characters" box in text
processing options checked. According to the help that is required in
order to have the sound scheme indentation honored.
I use the default scripts rather than the msenv2005 set.
On 5/24/10, Øyvind Lode <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I've tried different schemes, different indentation rules etc but JAWS don't
> speak number of indented characters.
> This only applies to Visual Studio.
> JAWS speak indentation in notepad and edsharp.
>
> Visual Studio is configured to use 4 spaces of indentation and to
> automatically indent and format the code.
> I can read the indentation on my Braille display so Visual Studio does it's
> job.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Travis Roth
> Sent: 22. mai 2010 21:14
> To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [program-l] Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
>
> I think you must set the active scheme to be the indentation scheme, and
> make sure it saves as the active scheme.
> Then I believe somwehre in the verbosity settings (JAWSKey+v) there's an
> option to turn the announcements on. I am fairly sure you have to do both.
> I've not used that feature in VS.Net though, so might take some tinkering or
> an email to tech support?...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Ųyvind Lode
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 1:51 PM
> To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [program-l] Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
>
> Thanks!
> One down, one to go.
> The left margin is now correct on the Braille display.
> I'm now trying to get JAWS to speak indentation in the code editor.
> Soronel told me to modify the Visual Studio Indentation scheme found in
> Speech and Sound Manager.
> But I can't get it to work.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Travis Roth
> Sent: 22. mai 2010 18:56
> To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [program-l] Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
>
> Hi,
> You can control the left margin of whitespace that displays on a Braille
> display when using JAWS.
> You do this by adjusting the "Left margin in pixels" setting found under
> Settings.Advanced in the Configuration Manager for your respective app.
> Using this setting you can control how much blank left margin you se on the
> Braille display. Typically, setting it to a big enough number will force the
> first non-blank character on a line to use the first cell on the display,
> maximizing display space.
> Of course, Setting it to large loses indent information, but if you don't
> want that you can do it.
>
> Try different left margin sizes until you find one you like.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Ųyvind Lode
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:24 AM
> To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [program-l] Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
>
> I did some modifications to the Visual Studio .NET Indentation scheme but
> JAWS still don't speak indentation.
>
> I also unchecked both indicator and selection margin but the blank cells are
> still showing to the left of the line number on the Braille display.
> The only change I see is that the blank cell to the right of the line number
> is gone.
> So it now looks like this on my Braille display:
>
> <4 blank cells><line number><code>
>
> 2using System.Collections.Generic;
>
> I really like to have:
>
> <line number><blank cell><code>
>
> 2 using System.Collections.Generic;
>
> But it seems to be difficult.
> So I'll probably need to accept:
>
> <4 blank cells><line number><blank cell><code>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
> Sent: 22. mai 2010 15:42
> To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [program-l] Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
>
> To get indentation to speak you need to modify the sound scheme, not
> just the text processing. Go to jaws configuration manager, then
> speech and sounds manager, and then modify (I personally start with
> Visual Studio .net indent and then make some modifications from
> there). There is a tab for controlling how indentation is spoken if
> you don't want to start with a scheme that already speaks indentation.
>
> The blank cells are either the indicator or selection margin (or
> both). That is controlled in the VS options dialog.
>
> Select Tools->Options then Text Editor -> General. If you don't like
> the blanks uncheck both the options I named.
>
> On 5/22/10, Ųyvind Lode <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hi all!
>>
>> How to make JAWS speak indentation in Visual C# 2008?
>> I also have a Braille question further down in this message.
>>
>> When I navigate the code editor JAWS don't speak indentation.
>> I have installed the additional JAWS scripts for VS 2008.
>> I have checked the speak indentation option and saved it to the msenv2005
>> configuration file.
>>
>> I can see the indentation on my Braille display but I like both Braille
> and
>> speech.
>> I also see that there are 4 blank cells to the left of the line number
> when
>> navigating the code editor using Braille.
>> Except the first line where I can read "Program.CS 1 using System;".
>> The first line is left justified so that the P in Program.cs appear on the
>> first cell on my Braille display.
>> But from line 2 there are 4 blank cells then the line number is shown
> before
>> the actual code begins.
>> I like that the line number is shown on my Braille display but I'm not
> sure
>> why there are 4 blanks cells to the left of it.
>>
>> Like this:
>> 2 using System.Collections.Generic;
>>
>> My second question:
>> Does all Braille users have this "problem"?
>> I guess it may be how the code editor is designed and how JAWS outputs it
> in
>> Braille.
>>
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