Dale: I was thinking about you just the other day when I heard the province stopped the funding for the train to your neck of the woods. Lots to digest with respect to your message. Many thanks indeed. Jim From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: October 2, 2012 3:25 PM To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [program-l] Re: Off Topic: Office furniture Play with the adjustments to the chair. Quite often they are adjusted to sit you back, that is, the rear of the seat is lower than the front, the back may also be reclined a little too much thus allowing your lower back to curl. Your head and neck will continue the curl and usually one will also eventually get a stiff lower back. I find that many of those chairs are also a bit too wide and the springing is such that they tend to lean back when you sit back into them. See if you can tilt the front down to at least horizontal and if possible even test sitting with the front of the chair a little lower than flat, not always ideal but often preferred by someone doing a lot of typing. It also gets you closer to your work. Try tightening the spring so that when you lean back it doesn't yield so readily and try lowering the back and advancing it so it is catching you a little lower in the back pressing you gently or perhaps more like reminding you to sit more upright with a gentle hand in the lumbar spine. If the arm rests are adjustable and they probably are, bring them in until they are close but not crowding you and adjust the height so at rest your shoulders are just above the point of being supported by your elbows and forearms, that relaxed position. I have often noticed too that many people have the height a bit too low. Your feet want to be flat on the floor while most of the back of the thigh is fully supported. Too low and you will curl. If anything it is usually better to be just a little bit high than a bit too low but if you are you will usually slide your bottom forward in the seat and again begin curling your low back which will lead to curling your upper back. This is well worth working out. All kinds of things get better when you are more erect. I have often noticed that this also tends to help me become more focused, a little more energetic. Ergonomics was never a major interest of mine but I was often expected and asked to assess and assist, often with improvements for the people involved. I remain largely skeptical about some of what the "experts" propose and some of their modifications however I appreciate too that employers need to do something for some persons and spending a load of money on experts is certainly that. Hope these suggestions are helpful. Dale Leavens. ----- Original Message ----- From: Corbett, James<mailto:James.Corbett@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Program-L (Program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)<mailto:Program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:06 PM Subject: [program-l] Off Topic: Office furniture Hi: I ask this because I know that most of you sit on / in an office style chair for the better part of your day. My office has been arranged so as to meet ergonomic standards as they relate to chair, desk height, phone position and so on. However, that's all fine and dandy but I've noticed that even with the best of chairs I've begun to drop my head to the point where my chin has nearly rested on my chest. I have made a conscious effort to keep my head up but it continues to drift downwards. Have any of you experienced a similar side effect and if so other than duct taping my head to the chair could you suggest solutions? Sincerely, Jim James Corbett IT Developer - Analyst ITB/Solutions/BP&A/DevCentre/Developer Tools and Horizontal Initiatives Services 613 941-9355 | facsimile / télécopieur 613-954-9222 James.Corbett@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Canada Revenue Agency | 875 Heron Rd Rm H4-177, Ottawa ON K1A OL8 Agence du revenu du Canada | 875 chemin Heron, ch H4-177 Ottawa ON K1A 0L8 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada "Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde