[program-l] Re: New member needs urgen help
- From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:48:37 +0100
MessageHi,
It will be interesting to see how Freedom Scientific tackles this. According
to information on the web the Express SKUs will have the extensibility features
disabled, meaning that add-ins cannot be used. That will mean that the current
method that Freedom Scientific employ to make Visual Studio accessible won't
work with the Express SKUs, and they'll either have to change how they work,
which may mean that they fix their MSAA bugs, or that the Express SKUs will be
"unsupported software" as far as Freedom Scientific are concerned.
See:
http://blogs.msdn.com/lukeh/archive/2004/07/01/171213.aspx
and I've seen comments on the web claiming that Craig Skibo from VS
Extensibility has also stated that it is unlikely that add-ins will be
available in the Express SKUs.
Will
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lant
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:14 PM
Subject: [program-l] Re: New member needs urgen help
The only problem with this approach, as I've indicated before, is if you also
have another version of VS.NET installed on the same machine. That's another
reason why I've decided to steer well clear of the VS 2005 beta. It just
causes me too much grief trying to get JAWS to work with it and all the other
software I need to use.
All the best,
David
-----Original Message-----
From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Will Pearson
Sent: 19 September 2005 07:57
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [program-l] Re: New member needs urgen help
Hi,
I'm not aware of any publicly available scripts for the 2005 range. The
scripts that ship with JAWS, and that are installed during the JAWS install,
may have problems running with the Express editions, as I've heard that the
Express editions do not offer the capability to run add-ins, something that I
plan to look into later. Additionally, the scripts that ship with JAWS aren't
designed for 2005, which last time I checked with Freedom Scientific technical
support was "unsupported software".
However, the good news is that Visual Studio 2005 is quite accessible
without the need for any scripts. You do have to make a few configuration
changes to overcome some bugs in how Freedom Scientific implemented MSAA
support in JAWS, but these are fairly simple and fairly minor. To make the
changes:
1. delete c:\documents and settings\all users\application data\freedom
scientific\jaws\6.20\settings\enu\msenv.*
2. delete c:\documents and settings\{your account name}\application
data\freedom scientific\jaws\6.20\settings\enu\msenv.*
3. Restart JAWS or your system
4. Open Visual Studio 2005
5. Open an existing WinForms project, or create a new one
6. Open the solution explorer using ctrl + alt + l
7. Select Form1 or another WinForm from the solution explorer, and press
enter
8. Set the view to the code editor (view > code)
9. Press Insert + 7 on the numeric line above the alpha keys
10. Dismiss the dialog that informs you that you are creating a new
configuration file.
11. Press tab and select multi line edit from the listbox
12. Click OK.
The above steps should force JAWS to use it's off screen model for Visual
Studio's editor control, thereby overcoming bugs in the default MSAA client
contained in JAWS.
Will
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lant
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 8:57 PM
Subject: [program-l] Re: New member needs urgen help
HI again,
The scripts that are supplied by FS do not work with Visual Studio 2005.
I'm not aware of any scripts yet available for VS 2005, other than those being
worked on by Will and co on this list. So I'm afraid I can't help you there.
All the best,
David
-----Original Message-----
From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Reynolds
Sent: 18 September 2005 07:12
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [program-l] Re: New member needs urgen help
David,
I've been a bit remiss here.
I'm using the VS express edition (beta) with scripts downloaded from
the internet. I'm using JAWS version 6.2.
I wasn't aware that fs provided scripts for VS.
The main problem I'm having concerns error messages, I still get them
in my code occassionally (grin). When an error message appears, I don't seem to
be able to get focus back to the line on which the error has occurred.
Sometimes, hitting spacebar works, but this isn't generally a good idea, as it
can further corrupt the line in which the error has occurred.
Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
Dave.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lant
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:56 AM
Subject: [program-l] Re: New member needs urgen help
Hi Dave,
Firstly, which scripts are you referring to? Are you using the JAWS
screen reader? If so, which version? If not, which screen reader, if any, are
you using?
I have used Visual Studio.NET 2003 with JAWS 5.x and 6.x. Both these
versions of JAWS come with the VS.NET scripts included. So if you are using
JAWS, and you have downloaded VS.NET scripts, I'm assuming they're not the ones
provided by Freedom Scientific, and written by Brett Lewis.
All the best,
David
-----Original Message-----
From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Reynolds
Sent: 17 September 2005 07:36
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [program-l] New member needs urgen help
Hello,
Firstly, an introduction.
I've been programming since 1978, and most recently been working in
a PICK environment, but we all have to cave in to gui eventually. I've been
programming at home in VB6 for a while, but now, its getting serious. We're
starting to use dotnet at work. I found the scripts for this somewhere on the
internet, but am a little confused about some of the interface, and how the
scripts interact. If anyone can put me in touch with the author, or has had
experience of using these scripts, I'd be extremely grateful to hear from you.
Many thanks,
Dave.
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