[program-java] Re: JDeveloper 11G (download)
- From: "Corbett, James" <James.Corbett@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:31:21 -0400
"But if you work in a team, you need to use what the other programmers use
for a certain program."
Wouldn't go that far... half of my team is on J-Builder, of the remaining half
about one third is on Eclipse and the remainder is using My Eclipse....
"SWING is better because it offers more type of controls and it is Java
based. It doesn't depend on the platform the program runs on."
Java is the language that the Eclipse Community used to create both the Eclipse
IDE and the SWT Widgets. Java is the wrapper around the native widgets and the
end result is the SWT library.
"Because Java is made by Sun and Sun promotes SWING, SWING is prefered by
most Java programmers. (Because most of the Java programmers also don't care
too much about the accessibility issues in SWING.)."
I think you are missing the point of my previous messages, Eclipse indeed uses
SWT and SWT applications can be created from the IDE... However Eclipse is not
limited to just SWT... I've created web based apps that communicate from the
web interface via Struts, query our main frame via Web Logic servers through a
CICS region and all of that is accomplished with out SWT.
...because Sun promotes Java and SWING is a component of the same really
doesn't qualify it as being the preferred GUI interface. I'll grant you that
most of the developers use SWING but numbers alone don't justify it as being
preferred. Some one once said "Quantity has a quality of its own... but quality
has a quantity of its own as well".
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anna Giller" <anna.giller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:20 PM
Subject: [program-java] Re: JDeveloper 11G (download)
> Jim,
>
> Whose choice is it to pick either SWT or SWING?
> I mean for a new development can we choose SWT while other employees using
> SWING?
> When you're talking about adding accessability fitures manually, do you
> mean
> JAWS scripting?
>
> Thanks,
> Anna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Corbett, James
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:36 AM
> To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [program-java] Re: JDeveloper 11G (download)
>
> Anna:
>
> SWT as well as SWING / AWT are technologies for creating rich client
> interfaces.... much like Windows. In fact, SWT relies upon the native
> widget
> tool kit that is integral to most operating systems. SWT / IBM's approach
> was or is to use what already exists and wrap these controls for their own
> particular use.
>
> A command button whether rendered in Visual C++, VB or with SWT should
> appear similar and behave in the same manner. On the other hand SWING and
> or
> AWT re-event the wheel so to speak and created their own versions of
> controls which don't behave in the manner as with the former, therefore as
> a
> programmer we must add accessible features manually to these controls,
> rely
> upon the Access Bridge and the adaptive technology companies to keep pace
> in
> order for the blind community to have reasonable access.
>
> An Integrated Development Environment, does as it suggests. It allows many
> features such as real time debugging, creation of packages, refactoring
> and
> much much more. They bring together many features into one neat package.
>
> Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Anna Giller
> Sent: October 23, 2008 9:37 AM
> To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [program-java] Re: JDeveloper 11G (download)
>
>
> Hi Jim!
>
> What is SWT application?
>
> Also what are the functions of IDE beside compiling and running Java
> programs?
>
> Thanks,
> Anna
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Corbett, James
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:01 AM
> To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [program-java] Re: JDeveloper 11G (download)
>
> Creating a SWT application isn't solely dependent upon Eclipse or any
> other
> IDE.... If one has the corresponding librarys, I'm quite confident that
> one
> could build a SWT app with Notepad.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
> Sent: October 22, 2008 3:46 PM
> To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [program-java] Re: JDeveloper 11G (download)
>
>
> Ok, thank you. This is not very good unfortunately, because the SWING
> applications are not so accessible as the SWT ones.
>
> Octavian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Raikes" <DON.RAIKES@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:57 PM
> Subject: [program-java] Re: JDeveloper 11G (download)
>
>
> JDeveloper is good for swing applications.It also allows for html/jsf/jsp
> development as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Octavian Rasnita [mailto:orasnita@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:57 AM
> To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [program-java] Re: JDeveloper 11G (download)
>
>
> What kind of interfaces is it the best for? SWT? SWING?
> Does it have a designer like DotNet has?
>
> Octavian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Raikes" <DON.RAIKES@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:48 PM
> Subject: [program-java] Re: JDeveloper 11G (download)
>
>
> To be quite honest, I am very new to eclipse (this week), so I am not
> sure.
> It has some features that may not be appreciated by a java or web
> developer
> like database administration capabilities, but other than that, I am not
> sure of the differences.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Octavian Rasnita [mailto:orasnita@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:07 AM
> To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [program-java] Re: JDeveloper 11G (download)
>
>
> Does it have some advantages comparing it with Eclipse?
>
> Octavian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Raikes" <DON.RAIKES@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:53 PM
> Subject: [program-java] Re: JDeveloper 11G (download)
>
>
> JDeveloper is a programming Integrated development environment like
> eclipse.
> It can be used to create java applications as well as web-based
> applications.
>
> In terms of accessibility, it is mostly accessible.
>
> Please note that any comments about JDeveloper's accessibility are from my
> own observations and not an official Oracle statement.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Octavian Rasnita [mailto:orasnita@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:16 PM
> To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [program-java] Re: JDeveloper 11G (download)
>
>
> How accessible is JDeveloper? Is it a development environment like
> Eclipse?
> Is it used manly for creating SWT apps like Eclipse, or SWING apps?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Octavian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Raikes" <DON.RAIKES@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:44 AM
> Subject: [program-java] JDeveloper 11G (download)
>
>
> JDeveloper 11G download ...
>
> To begin with, unlike Jim, I am not a teacher, so my presentation may not
> be
> as concise as his.
>
> However, in order to use JDeveloper 11G, you first need to get it from
> Oracle Technology Network:
> http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/jdev/index.html
>
> Pick the Oracle JDeveloper 11G download.
> Check the Accept license agreement on the next page, and then the download
> JDeveloper studio for windows link.
> You will then be prompted for your oracle.com login credentials I believe
> it
> is pretty simple to get a login.
>
> Once you login, the download will start. It is almost a 700mb download.
>
> You will be downloading jdevstudio11110install.exe. Put it somewhere
> simple
> to remember and stay tuned for installation instructions.
>
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