That's why "extorted" was in quotes........uhhhhh, SHOULD have been in quotes, LoL. (It is now). I couldn't think of what else to call it; when you go a webpage and are "attacked" by all these banners b!tching about you having an "outdated browser", when the only way to remove it is to "succumb to their demands", or else put up with the complaints. Someone needs to come up with some kind of a banner blocker that will also block those. I have no problem at all with some simple TEXT saying something like: "Some of our web features may not be available on older browsers" (which actually should never be the case anyway), but obnoxious banners, and actually BLOCKING users of older browsers, is uncalled for. YouTube WAS doing this, evidently they caught hell for it, and they finally did the intelligent thing and automatically direct certain browser versions to different page versions. I've been watching a thread on FF4, last I heard they (no surprise) REMOVED features that were present on 3.5x, and no doubt none of our extensions will work on it, and there's probably only a few of them that can be upgraded to work on v4. They'll never overtake IE until they put a stop to that crap and make extensions an integrated part of the Mozilla FF browser or put a stop to the version-proprietary-dependence of them. I'm sure extension developers are also fed up with having to make new versions with each FF release. It's VERY simple to make them work with any version, the majority of them CAN be made to do this with a hack, but it's time-consuming and should NOT be something the END USER should have to do, that should be up to Mozilla. If it can coexist with v3.5x, I'll probably install it just to see if it's any faster, and more stable. -Clint God Bless, Clint Hamilton, Owner www.OrpheusComputing.com www.ComputersCustomBuilt.com www.OrpheusComputing.com/cheap_reliable_web_hosting.html www.OrpheusComputing.com/PCworks-computer-help-email-list.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Vandervoort" I'm not so sure about "extorted" as there's no money involved. As the web involves, apps are becoming more web-centric and security has become even more critical. No one ever anticipated today's web when Netscape ruled the web, and modern computers are so much more capable it would be a sin if browsers hadn't evolved along with them. The new (Free) browsers are most definitely a good thing and a sign of a healthy internet. That said, you guys are probably now eager to download FF 4.0, which just came out. :) On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Clint Hamilton-PCWorks Admin <> wrote: > I HATE being "extorted" into upgrading as well. But sites > have > been like that for years now. It's like they all are in some > kind of "upgrade conspiracy". What the hell business is it of > them (websites) as to what browser people want to use? If > they > knew what they were doing, their websites would work in ANY > browser! And, that is NOT hard to do, in fact, it's easier to > leave them as they were with older browsers (which of courses > work FINE with new browsers), than loading websites up with > this bandwidth-hogging resource-hogging browser-proprietary > garbage. I feel like "shooting them the bird" when I see > that. > -Clint > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom" > > I know I'm a curmudgeon and often resist change, but this > morning I went to a website and it told me my browser is out > of date and I should upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 or > higher. It seems to me that it hasn't been all that long ago > since Internet Explorer 7 came out and that 8 has just been > out a short time. It's almost like car manufacturers > requiring everyone to buy a new car every year. > > I'm not against the rapid improvement of software, what I am > against is making the older software obsolete so quickly. > > End of rant! > > Tom ========================= The list's FAQ's can be seen by sending an email to PCWorks-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with FAQ in the subject line. To unsubscribe, subscribe, set Digest or Vacation to on or off, go to //www.freelists.org/list/pcworks . You can also send an email to PCWorks-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with Unsubscribe in the subject line. Your member list settings can be found at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi/l=pcworks . Once logged in, you have access to numerous other email options. The list archives are located at //www.freelists.org/archives/pcworks/ . All email posted to the list will be placed there in the event anyone needs to look for previous posts. -zxdjhu-